Change The Rules For Leaving Dungeons (aka Why People Insta-Quit Castrum Meridianum)

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Consequences - noun - a result or effect of an action or condition.

Someone leaves a duty (an action) and they get locked out for 30 minutes (the result of said such action). Therefore a consequence. (Note I didn't say punishment as some people in this thread are going on about. Nor did I call it a deterrent.)

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Not interested in playing semantics with you. When people say "consequences" in this sort of context, they mean a punishment or deterrent, and you know that.

And it is a deterrent. Maybe not the strongest one in the world, but I don't think it needs to be. Outside of Castrum, I almost never see people bail on groups. I've seen a handful yeah, and I think I've had maybe 2-3 people just straight walk off and ask to be kicked, but in 5 years of playing that's not bad at all.

People bail on Castrum all the time. I've seen like, maybe three Prae runs that had someone bail (none of which required waiting for replacements iirc), but Castrum it happens WAY more often. Obviously this is anecdotal evidence, but if people are ditching one dungeon in particular faaaar more often than any other, the problem seems like it lies primarily with... that dungeon. The focus should be on looking into and addressing why people avoid that dungeon so fervently, not on adding stricter penalties for everyone including those who already don't even queue for that dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

And it is a deterrent. Maybe not the strongest one in the world, but I don't think it needs to be. Outside of Castrum, I almost never see people bail on groups. I've seen a handful yeah, and I think I've had maybe 2-3 people just straight walk off and ask to be kicked, but in 5 years of playing that's not bad at all.

People bail on Castrum all the time. I've seen like, maybe three Prae runs that had someone bail (none of which required waiting for replacements iirc), but Castrum it happens WAY more often. Obviously this is anecdotal evidence, but if people are ditching one dungeon in particular faaaar more often than any other, the problem seems like it lies primarily with... that dungeon. The focus should be on looking into and addressing why people avoid that dungeon so fervently, not on adding stricter penalties for everyone including those who already don't even queue for that dungeon.

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They need to make the experience earned closer to one another. It all evens out over time for those who are running Main Story daily leveling their roles. They shouldn't be equal but the difference at the moment is much too large and simply encourages people to leave and re-queue.

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Obviously this is anecdotal evidence, but if people are ditching one dungeon in particular faaaar more often than any other, the problem seems like it lies primarily with... that dungeon.

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The thing is, there isn't any particular problem with Aurum Vale. There's nothing there to be "fixed" except player expectations.



It's just a dungeon like any other, and still piss easy to run if your group is halfway competent. But for some reason, it got the Steps of Faith stigma where people still just think it's way harder than it actually is.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

The thing is, there isn't any particular problem with Aurum Vale. There's nothing there to be "fixed" except player expectations.



It's just a dungeon like any other, and still piss easy to run if your group is halfway competent. But for some reason, it got the Steps of Faith stigma where people still just think it's way harder than it actually is.

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It has a tricky first room, one shot mechanics, and roaming groups that can overwhelm a new or unprepared group. I ran it with a friend who's been away from the game for a very long time, and he had a tough time healing it. It also has mechanics that require you to stop what you're doing unless your group is just good on the whole, which imo is almost always kinda meh as a mechanic. I personally think it's also an ugly dungeon that's just not very fun, but that's me :P

Not to say I think it's hard overall. It's not. My first run of it was miserable of course, and we spent most of Coincounter with the tank and the other dps wiping the floor with their faces, but I haven't had many issues since them. If something goes wrong, it's usually in the first room because someone pulled too much.

I personally don't run AV very often at all though. I think I've gotten it like three or four times total in roulette, and I only remember 2-3 people dropping in any of them (I think once at the entrance, and at least once in that awful run I mentioned earlier). Honestly forgot about AV cause I hardly ever see it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

The thing is, there isn't any particular problem with Aurum Vale. There's nothing there to be "fixed" except player expectations.



It's just a dungeon like any other, and still piss easy to run if your group is halfway competent. But for some reason, it got the Steps of Faith stigma where people still just think it's way harder than it actually is.

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Funny thing is, I happen to genuinely love Aurum Vale and Steps of Faith alike. Sure, I've been a part of some rough runs of them, but even then I find both duties enjoyable. I really like how Steps in particular feels different, with a sense of urgency, and neat music, and mechanics I haven't really seen elsewhere. In those times when it gets down to the wire, the intensity is exhilarating.

In regards to the thread, I'm all for bringing up the exp earned from Castrum a bit, even if not to the same level as Praetorium. Just wanted to voice my support for that.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

The thing is, there isn't any particular problem with Aurum Vale. There's nothing there to be "fixed" except player expectations.



It's just a dungeon like any other, and still piss easy to run if your group is halfway competent. But for some reason, it got the Steps of Faith stigma where people still just think it's way harder than it actually is.

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I blame the Morbols, those guys had got a franchise-reputation for making things harder or more tedious.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

They need to make the experience earned closer to one another. It all evens out over time for those who are running Main Story daily leveling their roles. They shouldn't be equal but the difference at the moment is much too large and simply encourages people to leave and re-queue.

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It makes no sense to make the XP bonus closer when Castrum takes 25 minutes and Praetorium takes 45 minutes. The difference is because Praetorium takes almost twice as long to complete, time that could be spent doing a second dungeon appropriate to level if the player wants more XP.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It makes no sense to make the XP bonus closer when Castrum takes 25 minutes and Praetorium takes 45 minutes. The difference is because Praetorium takes almost twice as long to complete, time that could be spent doing a second dungeon appropriate to level if the player wants more XP.

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and yet people still leave castrum. you say it makes no sense but if they gave the same exo people wouldnt leave either dungeon

castrum actually gives less exp than an at-level dungeon btw, especially considering you can fit 2 runs of a dungeon in the time you do castrum if the party is good.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

and yet people still leave castrum. you say it makes no sense but if they gave the same exo people wouldnt leave either dungeon

castrum actually gives less exp than an at-level dungeon btw, especially considering you can fit 2 runs of a dungeon in the time you do castrum if the party is good.

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If they gave the same XP, what would be the point of running Prae, when you can run Castrum for same XP, half the time?