[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

I dunno man, it kinda feels like a reach when this sentence is your basis for SE GAVE US THEIR SOLEMN BLOODOATH THAT TOP 100 PVP REWARDS WILL FOREVER REMAIN EXCLUSIVE IN PERPETUITY..

And yes, that's exactly the sort of combative and over-the-top vibe you've been putting out the last few posts.

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Amusing. You should've looked at the page before where he "called" me out. And apparently I am being a bad guy? xd

Should they have put it into their terms of service for you to believe words and actions? Why are you mentioning blood oaths as the only way to guarantee anything?

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Not to mention we literally have an example from just last week where a developer's blog post was amended due to containing incorrect (or unverified) information, so it's not like they're inviolable promises to the players or anything.

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Feast has been out for years. There should a point where you guys give up and accept the situation.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Feast has been out for years. There should a point where you guys give up and accept the situation.

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Bunny outfits say hello.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Bunny outfits say hello.

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Legacy tatoos/chocobos say hello.

Art contest rewards say hello.

I can name many more.

Your bunny outfit example literally only had restrictions to female characters not restrictions on people in general. Contests and time exclusive items claimed as such were kept exclusive to WINNERS and in the case of legacy perks, to players who played 1.0

So because SE didn't oblige every request that's been made, it invalidates the cases where they DID listen to player feedback? That's pretty silly.

Besides, I only brought up the bunny outfits as a refutation to your comment that people should "give up and accept the situation". The bunny outfit for males was requested for literal years before it was released, and I can confidently tell you there is a 0% chance it would've happened if people had just given up and stopped asking for it.

I have legacy items and other contest rewards and I have no problem with people who post threads asking to make these more available, regardless how I feel about those requests. By no means am I intending to call you out specifically, but certain replies in this and previous threads by people who disagree seem to almost take it as a personal affront that people ask for these items to be made more available.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

So because SE didn't oblige every request that's been made, it invalidates the cases where they DID listen to player feedback? That's pretty silly.

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As far as history shows us, SE does not listen to feedback from people demanding rewards that are given to contest winners. They don't listen to feedback demanding legacy tatoos that are only meant for their most loyal players.


As I said before, your bunny suit comparison does not refute anything that I have said. They are not a reward for either a exclusive contest or a reward for player loyalty. They were literally a item that was made with the original intention of being female only. Not even close to comparable situation.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

I have legacy items and other contest rewards and I have no problem with people who post threads asking to make these more available, regardless how I feel about those requests. By no means am I intending to call you out specifically, but certain replies in this and previous threads by people who disagree seem to almost take it as a personal affront that people ask for these items to be made more available.

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I find it funny that you would think that SE would begin offering the art contest rewards to other people that don't win those contests or get runner up. Those are the incentives to enter the contest in the first place. It makes no sense for them to do that, and you know it. Same with legacy items/aesthetics. Why would they ever offer something that was meant to reward LOYALTY from the very BEGINNING to random people. you ruin the original intention of those items/aesthetics by doing that.

Regardless, people literally make this thread every month or two. You'd think with such persistence as you say it that they would cave, but they don't.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Legacy tatoos/chocobos say hello.

Art contest rewards say hello.

I can name many more.

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FFXIII Event
Moogle outfit
Maid outfit
Veteran rewards

And none of this covers rewards that were once either difficult or far more time consuming to obtain but were subsequently nerfed. Furthermore, the Legacy rewards were from an entirely separate game that no longer exists and the art content rewards frequently return. Simply put, everything either becomes easier or has lost its exclusivity... except PvP rewards.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

FFXIII Event
Moogle outfit
Maid outfit
Veteran rewards

And none of this covers rewards that were once either difficult or far more time consuming to obtain but were subsequently nerfed. Furthermore, the Legacy rewards were from an entirely separate game that no longer exists and the art content rewards frequently return. Simply put, everything either becomes easier or has lost its exclusivity... except PvP rewards.

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Again, none of those are contest rewards.

And you say legacy rewards are part of a different game. It's a reboot of the same game with rewards in the reboot.

Also, isn't the art contest the only contest that gives out it's own rewards and never releases them to people outside of the contest? Oh I guess we need to release it to everyone because it doesn't conform to everything else in the game

And if you only cared about time exclusives, then you wouldn't suggest that pvp rewards be given to anyone but top 100 players. Why not make it consistent with the art contest? Oh wait, that doesn't make it any easier to get top 100 does it.

Anyways, we have already had this discussion where you don't like SE evolving their game. Should SE not have done Ultimate Coil or Weapon because it wasn't cookie cutter formula of 3 8 man raids and 3 24 man raids? Are you going to argue that SE shouldn't EVER do anything new in this game? I would think not.

Also it is disturbing that people are WANTING SE to go back on their word.

When #freeship apparently not freeshipping the community complains that the store operators were going back on their word. Yet everyone here is trying to make SE to make top 100 rewards for everyone. Maybe the community should be consistent in their actions more so than SE.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Again, none of those are contest rewards.

And you say legacy rewards are part of a different game. It's a reboot of the same game with rewards in the reboot.

Also, isn't the art contest the only contest that gives out it's own rewards and never releases them to people outside of the contest? Oh I guess we need to release it to everyone because it doesn't conform to everything else in the game

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Don't twist my words. You keep arguing SE promotes exclusivity yet time and again they have deviated away from that formula. The aforementioned list demonstrates that very fact, whether you want to believe it or not. PvP has been the exception, not the rule.

A reboot does not change the fact both are separate games, thus general perception has been to grandfather in the Legacy rewards, especially since the Chocobo and Gobbue have reskins available. And those content rewards have been made consistently available for years to those submitting their work. Furthermore, they offer those same rewards for all their contents, which negates your forthcoming argument regarding the top 100.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Anyways, we have already had this discussion where you don't like SE evolving their game. Should SE not have done Ultimate Coil or Weapon because it wasn't cookie cutter formula of 3 8 man raids and 3 24 man raids? Are you going to argue that SE shouldn't EVER do anything new in this game? I would think not.

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This comparable is so absurd it beggars belief. In what universe does Ultimate have to do with exclusive PvP rewards? Even going by your twisted logic, they have moved away from exclusive rewards in other areas even after the Hellhound released. There hasn't been an evolution, just an inconsistent due to desperation trying to get people to partake in PvP.

But since even Ultimate weapons and the above mentioned Legacy Chocobo have reskins available. You wouldn't be opposed to reskins of PvP mounts being offering for everyone else now would you?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Don't twist my words.

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I don't twist words. You seem to say that whenever I refute your argument. Maybe you should try something else.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You keep arguing SE promotes exclusivity yet time and again they have deviated away from that formula.

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Then they made Feast and Ultimate. Very interesting. Moving towards exclusives instead of babying the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

PvP has been the exception, not the rule.

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Ultimate Coil was a exception to the rule and has become the rule for future content cycles. There is nothing wrong with evolving the game further from the base.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

YA reboot does not change the fact both are separate games, thus general perception has been to grandfather in the Legacy rewards, especially since the Chocobo and Gobbue have reskins available. And those content rewards have been made consistently available for years to those submitting their work. Furthermore, they offer those same rewards for all their contents, which negates your forthcoming argument regarding the top 100.

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They are still only available to contest winners. Which I why I question why you never suggest the remove time exclusivity from Feast rewards but still restrict them to top 100 players. But you've always tried to deny such a possibility. You defend the art contest keeping it to artist winners and runners-up but not the idea only top 100 players should get top 100 rewards. Maybe you should be consistent yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This comparable is so absurd it beggars belief. In what universe does Ultimate have to do with exclusive PvP rewards? Even going by your twisted logic, they have moved away from exclusive rewards in other areas even after the Hellhound released. There hasn't been an evolution, just an inconsistent due to desperation trying to get people to partake in PvP.

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You made the claim you like SE to be consistent in everything they do. I gave you an example where SE is not consistent but have moved forward with making content that is outside of the box. You should probably try to understand what I am trying to say before typing.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

But since even Ultimate weapons and the above mentioned Legacy Chocobo have reskins available. You wouldn't be opposed to reskins of PvP mounts being offering for everyone else now would you?

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Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and not call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

I also would love to hear you comment on #freeship vs #top100. You conveniently ignored that part of my argument.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

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A few people in this thread, specifically the OP brought up reskins. Would you consider that to be viable compromise?