The Bottom Feeders: Moves You Never Use and Why (Ver. 2)

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Originally Posted by ShienSarvong

I very rarely use Dissipation. Almost every other tool in my box of scholar tricks gets regular use. The big exception, though, is Summon. Selene is almost a permanent fixture in my dungeons and raids. I have very little use for Eos other than an occasional Fey Illumination + Rouse + Whispering Dawn HoT bomb. That might be very silly of me, but between Fey Caress and Fey Wind, I find Selene kind of essential.

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You're not the first person I've heard say this. I don't use Sch myself (yet), but I was in a Raid recently where practically everyone was commenting on how useless Eos is by comparison to Selene. It was a funny conversation, so I figured that they were just having a go, but since then I've heard more than a few others comment that they almost never use Eos over Selene.

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Originally Posted by Februs

You're not the first person I've heard say this. I don't use Sch myself (yet), but I was in a Raid recently where practically everyone was commenting on how useless Eos is by comparison to Selene. It was a funny conversation, so I figured that they were just having a go, but since then I've heard more than a few others comment that they almost never use Eos over Selene.

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Those guys haven't done real end-game raid progression then. Eos advantage is being able to effectively "heal" while straight DPSing as Scholar. Plus practically being able to throw up regens on the tanks without ever leaving cleric stance. Fey Covenant is such a good magic buff for many of the heavy magic damage fights in the game, including Thordan Extreme and Alexander Savage. Accidents happen, and that buff can effectively help someone to live on a mechanic that probably could have been their death. This is the Scholar's bread-and-butter: Mitigation.

Dissipation is also seen as a DPS skill as well, because 9 energy drains available is hard to turn down and there are plenty of instances where a fairy isn't needed for 30+ seconds in a fight, or maybe you are looking to change fairies anyway. It's not always about the healing buff, but rather the DPS advantage or just needing energy drain in a pinch.

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Originally Posted by technole

Those guys haven't done real end-game raid progression then. Eos advantage is being able to effectively "heal" while straight DPSing as Scholar.

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It's possible they were just kidding around as well. I got the impression that a few of them knew each other and the conversation was pretty funny to read. I wouldn't know one way or the other though, since I've never used Sch myself. If I do take it up, it's good to know that Eos has Raid utility. I'm assuming this works out best if your co-healer is running a role opposite of yours? (Ie: active mitigation via direct healing as opposed to mitigation buffs)

I don't raid (by choice) so this is speaking to uses outside endgame content. I haven't used Repose on my whm bar since I first ran Brayflox. Most groups I run through with now just burn everything. In fact, a lot of dungeons are grab it all and burn. So I also don't find as much use for spells that take too long to cast. I end up using Aero I instead of III due to the speed. I find I don't use Asylum much outside bosses because it gets wasted with how fast things die. I don't use Fluid Aura in a party. I use it all the time while soloing.

I want to use Miasma II but it seems unless I'm right up in the middle of the mobs (where the tank should be) it fails. I end up using Miasma, Bio, Bio II and then Baneing. I only use Ruin I if I'm synced and absolutely have to.

I use Stella on the ast while out soloing. PoM and Lightspeed I utilize while soloing. But I often forget about them in groups. All of these skills are still somewhere on my hotbars. They just aren't in the key slots.

Disipation, Why would I EVER want to sac my lovely Selene for an Aetherflow stack?

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Originally Posted by Elizasylen

Disipation, Why would I EVER want to sac my lovely Selene for an Aetherflow stack?

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Cause you can show off your pro scholar skills and look at it from a different perspective.

Cure 3, because it's so much MP still at 60. I barely use it in anything above level 50 dungeons. I don't know why. I just use medica 2, or Medica, and it's usually enough. Even with the lessen MP cost perk from spamming Cure 2. Idk, I just barely use it these days. Maybe if they lessened the MP cost, I'd use it more. :c

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Originally Posted by RadiantRay

Cure 3 - Way to situational, cost way too much mp, medica 2 is better because the game almost never follows up huge raid dmg with more raid dmg, and it's radius is abysmal I rather not risk using it. Only use I have seen for it was when i needed to range aoe heal a pack of guys who just so happen to be together AND all low hp or during the first phase of Thordan if my co-healer lets me solo

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I use cure III when overcure is procced and I don't have the free cure II proc up and there's AOE damage to heal since it drops the cost in half and can heal multiple over cure II, more than medica and can be targeted unlike medica. And unlike Medica II the heal is infull right away so if it's multiple AOE bursts Medica II isn't always best alone.

It's not a bad spell, it just gets used wrong all the time like SMN using Ruin III outside of dreadworm trance or a MNK not doing Positional.


Dissipation on SCH though. It's there on my bar... Never had a need or reason to use it other than to scream "DIE SELENE DIE!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAAA!"

Whatever that bind skill is on BRD and MCH. It's so short-lived it's virtually worthless; I never use it.

Cure 3 could be good if incoming damage wasn't tuned to what all healers could handle. Since it is, skills outside of the overlap of all 3 healers is probably going to be a niche spell.

My personal vote is stoneskin though. During combat that extra 10% is not worth the steep mp cost, and the effect is minor enough that tanks won't even wait for the cast of stoneskin 2 to finish before engaging bosses.

I also think they could get rid of protect. I personally find it silly to add a 30 minute buff that all healers have to cross class. Nothing about this skill adds to the game.