Updated benchmark

Guys did you know that if you leave feedback that the devs asked for and they don't do anything with it then there's nothing you can do about it? I mean, I sure couldn't have figured that out. Thanks God there are so many good samaritans out here with the mental health of strangers in mind taking time out of their busy days to point out this extremely nuanced, esoteric bit of knowledge over and over again. Truly we'd be lost without them.

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Originally Posted by Len_

Guys did you know that if you leave feedback that the devs asked for and they don't do anything with it then there's nothing you can do about it? I mean, I sure couldn't have figured that out. Thanks God there are so many good samaritans out here with the mental health of strangers in mind taking time out of their busy days to point out this extremely nuanced, esoteric bit of knowledge over and over again. Truly we'd be lost without them.

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I just imagined you sitting there hitting enter on that post like

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_VsPGvWUAQ6hnz.png

and laughed out loud. Good one. :)

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I just imagined you sitting there hitting enter on that post like

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_VsPGvWUAQ6hnz.png

and laughed out loud. Good one. :)

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That really is how I look when I browse the feedback threads day after day looking for posts I can respond to insinuating that I think the feedback is futile. It's a perfect likeness, you really have a vibrant imagination. :)

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

"Even so, we imagine the subtle differences in nuance will inevitably cause some characters to look ever so slightly different compared to before. Should that be the case, a phial of Fantasia will be obtainable from a new quest that will be added with the release of Patch 7.0, which will allow you to fine-tune your character's appearance."
A Final Follow-up Regarding the Dawntrail Official Benchmark

But I guess SE isn't a "random guy" as I am, so your statement is correct on that part.


Wait, a new post?
I could've sworn it told me I had reached my daily limit.
Now I'm confused.
Edited out myself in the quote, since that was a mistake, believing I was editing my old post.

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You're being very, very polite and constructive and as I see it, you tried to make a reasonable point that slightly differs from the predominantly fear of change and over-attachment to old graphic flaws.
I'm sorry to witness that you're getting rude, passive-aggressive comments in return - as is happening with many such other sane, wise and decent voices. So I just wanted to tell you: Don't take it to heart.

If anything, this benchmark has taught me how small changes to a persons face can really alter my perception of that face. My viera came out ok in the second benchmark, except the lips that are still made into some weird overfilled and stretched shape. I now have the choice of 1.regular and a bit boring mouth, 2.massive overfilled lips, 3. thin lips, 4 smaller overfilled lips with weird cupids bow. In combination with vieras still not having hats I have decided to fantasia to miqo or au ra until vieras actually get hats (somewhere in 10.0 probably).
After chewing on it for a while I am ok. I might hold off on the fantasia for a little bit until Ive ran around with her ingame for a bit. Maybe the lips arent that noticeable in the actual game....still....hats?? *sigh*
https://i.imgur.com/T2qEbZS.png
Note: I am not saying she is ugly. I think she is really pretty and I can now recognize her as "mine". I just dislike the lipshape.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1e15a9b45fe99&

This is Yoshi talking about how they want to maintain the feel of your character as it is currently in game :-) :
From Las Vegas fan fest

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Originally Posted by Irishfae

This is Yoshi talking about how they want to maintain the feel of your character as it is currently in game :-) :
From Las Vegas fan fest

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Might want to link one with a timestamp, makes it easier if you want to show a specific part of a video.
You can do so by right-clicking the video while currently where you want to and select "Copy video URL at current time".

Advice no longer needed.

hi. It turns out that studying Photoshop is still a science. I have some results now, just my character to start with. hyur midlander face 1. It turns out that they changed everything, eyelashes, cheeks, eyebrows, eyes, even the pupil, lips, nose. That's what I got. Now I'm not surprised why I feel like it's a different character. Here are a couple of gifs and photos for you.
Let's start with the nose. The holes of the nose are different, the nose is wider.
https://i.imgur.com/Z2VWsEC.gif
https://i.imgur.com/5KK12lN.gif https://i.imgur.com/7WP3T15.png https://i.imgur.com/dNuvm6e.png
the shape of the eyes is different, the pupil is larger.
https://i.imgur.com/KWaiUrN.gif https://i.imgur.com/jOkSOCW.png https://i.imgur.com/fzYM4S5.png

https://i.imgur.com/bgc1QQd.gif
https://i.imgur.com/QfCoFKL.png
https://i.imgur.com/Xabw1FE.png

This is me trying to attach the old nose eyes and lips to the new character. And she looks a lot more like an old character to me.
https://i.imgur.com/1F6LLMr.png

double post sorry :3

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

hi. It turns out that studying Photoshop is still a science. I have some results now, just my character to start with. hyur midlander face 1. It turns out that they changed everything, eyelashes, cheeks, eyebrows, eyes, even the pupil, lips, nose. That's what I got. Now I'm not surprised why I feel like it's a different character. Here are a couple of gifs and photos for you.
Let's start with the nose. The holes of the nose are different, the nose is wider.
https://i.imgur.com/Z2VWsEC.gif\
the lips are completely different, the smile disappears. What is the artistic intent?
https://i.imgur.com/5KK12lN.gif https://i.imgur.com/7WP3T15.png https://i.imgur.com/dNuvm6e.png
the shape of the eyes is different, the pupil is larger.
https://i.imgur.com/KWaiUrN.gif https://i.imgur.com/jOkSOCW.png https://i.imgur.com/fzYM4S5.png
https://i.imgur.com/bgc1QQd.gif
https://i.imgur.com/QfCoFKL.png
https://i.imgur.com/Xabw1FE.png

This is me trying to attach the old nose eyes and lips to the new character. And she looks a lot more like an old character to me.
https://i.imgur.com/1F6LLMr.png

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I know the words from a 3rd person won't mean much, but I really think that your character looks really good in it's updated, non-edited form.
I don't usually comment on peoples updated characters because I know it's not my opinion that matters, I just really think that she looks really good.
And I do hope that whatever happens, more changed being done or not, that you'll one way or another will be happy with the character that you'll play.

And I don't wanna sound smug or anything, but I think you accidently made a double post.
I tried looking for anything that differentiate them but couldn't find any.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

It turns out that they changed everything, eyelashes, cheeks, eyebrows, eyes, even the pupil, lips, nose.
Let's start with the nose. The holes of the nose are different, the nose is wider.
the lips are completely different, the smile disappears. What is the artistic intent?
the shape of the eyes is different, the pupil is larger.

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I think it would be helpful if you could be more specific in your impressions, so it could become more useful feedback.
After all, all the parts have changed, it's a graphical update.

But can you be more detailed in your descriptions? "It's different" doesn't really say much. What did you like before, and what do you not like now? What made you decide on these options, and how have the changes affected the impression of your character? That kind of thing.

Also, try to take your screenshots from the same angle with the same lighting (use the background as a guide), otherwise it's difficult to see what changed, because you notice the difference in lighting and brightness a lot more than the rest, and it's visually distracting.

(It's also worth noting that the character's head moves a lot in the idle animation, so for example in your gif you might have a different impression of the nose just because you see it at a slightly different angle. It's something I've been trying to be mindful of in my own feedback)

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

https://i.imgur.com/bgc1QQd.gif

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Well done, that post is exactly the sort of thing the devs can use to make changes. The response above mine had some excellent suggestions, especially taking pictures at the same angle and in the same lighting. I recommend taking them into account and posting a translated version of that in the JP thread as well with a bullet point list of each item that is wrong and how you would like to see it changed.

I've noticed a couple of quirks on my female highlander. Face 2's eyebrows seemed to have gotten 50% brighter and almost match the skin color now. Looks like the angle is softer too.

Not too worried about skin color because that can be adjusted since it seems it got a bit paler. But my eyebrows almost disappearing is a tad annoying lol. I wish they would make them like the other fem highlander faces and just make it match exactly the hair color instead of this weird greyish blonde that blends in with the skin

Image for reference

https://i.imgur.com/F0pLrxA.png

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Originally Posted by Tahli

A closer comparison of the eyes on F Moon Miqo Face 2, Eyes 6, Brow 2 between benchmarks. I really liked how in the first benchmark, the eyebrows were a softer color, and not as thin on the inner part. Looks kinda like drawn-on angry eyebrows in the newer one. Having the heavier eye makeup was my preference, sad that they reduced that without adding it as a facial feature option. And the iris and pupil themselves looked less uncanny in v1.

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Commenting on this one more time with some better pictures/comparisons. Images taken in character creator of current game, Benchmark 1 and Benchmark 1.1, all in direct sunlight of La Noscea setting.
Female Miqote (Keeper of the Moon), Face 2, Eyebrow 2, Eyes 6.

https://i.imgur.com/JITiOzg.gif https://i.imgur.com/m6jVqBX.png

I really felt like the first benchmark was most flattering on my character's features. I would like for the eyebrow shape/shading to be more like how it was in Benchmark 1, because I think the shape and color is truly beautiful. But if not that, then at the very least, I think the latest 1.1 eyebrows should be shaped closer to how they are in the current game: thicker at the base, thinner at the tail, slightly lighter in color, and angled softer so as not to give a drawn-on angry eyebrow impression. Eyebrow 2, specifically, is supposed to be the most gentle of the eyebrow options.

And the eyes, as you can see, have much harsher "lines" making up the patterns of the iris now, and it looks much less natural than the earlier versions. Keepers of the Moon have large pupils, so only that outer portion of the iris is visible on us, and it would be appreciated if the color popped more like it used to.

I do think some of the shading/lighting in the new benchmark is a little extreme, and might be giving Female Miqote an uncanny valley effect. Shadows are very prominent, and lighting is very bright on skin.

Figured I'd add my comparison here in case the devs read this. I'm not completely happy with the eyes, eyebrows and overall shape of my character's face in the benchmark.

Female Highlander
Face 1
Jaw 1
Eye shape 3
Eyebrows 1
Facial features 1, 2, 3
6.58 vs updated benchmark

Side:
https://i.imgur.com/hMjQXx8.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/rkuVGBK.jpeg

Front:
https://i.imgur.com/sLlYRLH.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/dWXWwrZ.jpeg

The view from the front is mostly the same, but from the side I notice a few differences. I don't like that the outer corners of the eyes are rounded down, and that the eyebrows are now smaller. The shape of the jaw and cheeks also seems different, but that might be an illusion caused by the lighting.

I know I'm a bit late but wanted to add my thoughts.

First off, I wanted to thank the devs for all the feedback they've incorporated so far. My character looks so much more like herself in the new benchmark!
(Face 4, eyes 4, eyebrows 3, nose 1, mouth 2)

https://i.imgur.com/UOeyjp5.png

That being said, I do think it's still worth mentioning that there remain some significant differences in her that don't stay true to her original design. The biggest issue is the size of the lips. Overall, the lips are still too big. The lower lip remains weirdly thickened, giving her mouth a distinctly different shape:

https://i.imgur.com/T7oOKXp.png

As I hope can be seen, this feature stands out explicitly when the characters are compared side by side. Compared to the original (left), the lips of the benchmark character (right) look swollen:

https://i.imgur.com/6YFi5qF.png

I have to reiterate that I'm so thankful for the improvements that have been made. However, this still feels like a 'dollified' version of my character. The sharpness of the original face remains lost (largely because of the relaxation of her eyebrows in combination with the puffy lips), so it still feels like botox has been forced on her, even if she's not been subjected to as much botox as in benchmark 1. The determined mood of the original face isn't there, which I am going to miss if this is the end result.

Thank you for sharing. I think this example demonstrates very well how some changes (from my non-technical understanding) go far beyond "trying to stay as faithful to the original designs as possible (but some nuances might be lost)". The mouth shape is straight-up a completely different design. The new one and the old one look nothing alike. It doesn't feel like an adaption that got slightly altered by upscaling at all.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

Thank you for sharing. I think this example demonstrates very well how some changes (from my non-technical understanding) go far beyond "trying to stay as faithful to the original designs as possible (but some nuances might be lost)". The mouth shape is straight-up a completely different design. The new one and the old one look nothing alike. It doesn't feel like an adaption that got slightly altered by upscaling at all.

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Yes, mouths are the most obvious, across most of the races. It’s not just different textures or lighting, they’re straight up different shapes in many cases! In other cases, it looks like they just changed where on the lips that the color gets applied, which still has the effect of making things look completely different.

I actually thought more people would be talking about it, but I guess not many people play as Femroes.

If you look at roeydagyns concept art, any promotional art, or even meet roes in the current version of the game, you can easily see on their bulkiness and very rough faces with square chins, narrowed jaws and noses, very deep wrinkles in the root and nasion areas of the nose bridge, etc. The problem is... just gone in the latest benchmark. The overall shapes of the faces are the same, but the details that created the shapes and complexity of the faces are not.

https://i.ibb.co/Bq3YW8f/b02.png
Even a quick comparison of the images shows that the face on the left is more flat and the face on the right is more rounded. I understand that because of the change in materials and rendering, the images will look a little different, but it's more than that.

https://i.ibb.co/FhFXSvb/b03.png
The left face looks more organic, and when you look at it, your eyes are probably focused on the character's eyes/nose. You can't focus on the same parts of the right face. Your eyes start wandering around the face to many different places without really stopping on anything. It's not because the new face has more detail.

https://i.ibb.co/KrdHKJs/b03-B.jpg
On the left face, the eyebrows flow into the bridge of the nose. Eyes have additional wrinkles to separate them from the nose, creating complexity and catching the viewer's attention. The rest of the face is flat and has less detail, creating a strong focus on the eyes. These details are missing from the right image. That's why you can't really focus on anything on the right face and jump from element to element.

https://i.ibb.co/6sT53mp/b05.png
Details of the nose bridge and eye sockets have simply disappeared.

https://i.ibb.co/K2z6Z63/b05-B.jpg
Details like these add complexity to the shapes of the face, create focal points, guide lines and attract the viewer's attention, without them... there is nothing.

https://i.ibb.co/Cz7JFf8/b07.png
I don't even have to draw red lines on it. It's just so obvious. But wait, there is more.

https://i.ibb.co/Z1X6zzM/b08.png
Even if you try to focus on more soft and rounded faces complete ditching rough features of the face (features which made roegadyn roegadyn) the right face still looks off.

https://i.ibb.co/mvKTX2J/b08-B.jpg
It's not just couple small things, which looks a little bit different with graphical update. It complete different composition of the face created by different shapes and features which were definite for roegadyns are just gone.

https://i.ibb.co/L5x7Gpk/b09b.jpg
Do you remember roegadyns with their unique faces? This is them now. More Huyrs than Huyrs themselves.

Thank you, I'm trying to do what I can, so
I'll say right away, I admire you, probably under all your posts on the Japanese forum you have my likes. But I don't think I have the intelligence and imagination to write something like you.
And now for the points.
Does it really matter how I feel about new and old, say, ears? I am a simple person: I see the difference, I ask you to fix it. Even if the new ears seem cute to me or to someone. After all, the task is to get as close to the original as possible. And when they change the original work of the artist at their discretion * or is it really an optimization of the creation of graphics or the actions of artificial intelligence*, that is, the artists and the editor's own view of the current characters.

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

"It's different" doesn't really say much.

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In my opinion, *this is different* more eloquent than any epithet that can be thought of. How was it influenced?The character has become a new one. I like the previous character, I don't like the new one. And this difference is caused by all these minor ones: slightly protruding ears and major ones: changing a smile to not a smile.

therefore, personal feelings play a secondary role here, in my opinion. They have a task to repeat the original. I provide feedback that they have changed some parts *all*, only the hair in this case has not changed its shape and looks like an improvement*. And they don't need to know how I feel, especially since it's a very abstract thing. Some people like lop-eared people, some don't. For example, they made my character more lop-eared, which was not the case in the original

And to be honest, I don't know what to say about the nose? He doesn't really change anything in terms of emotions, like a modified mouth. About the mouth, I can say that the character was happy, and now she looks sad or neutral. And what about the nose? He just changes his appearance. The nose has changed its appearance, gender, eyes, ears. All these little things add up to a picture, a picture of another character * my opinion*

About the background. In the benchmark and in the real game, the sun is located elsewhere in the gridanian forests. In Limsa, the sun is in a different place and in the original game it is also very low, and if you take screenshots when the sun is behind you, it will create glare on the screen. So gridania is the only suitable place for comparison. You can see by the shadows on the character that these are the same places where the sun is behind you, so that it does not shine in your face and does not interfere with comparison.

Yes, I know idle animation, so today I took hundreds of screenshots to be 1 in 1, literally pixel to pixel, and I believe that the developers will not fix anything from this and will ,because so many things they need to fix. So I'll just ask, like many Japanese players, demand to give us our old characters, add options, yes, even excuse me, I I'm going to ask them to *leak* the original textures so that the modders do what the developers are not able to do. As for textures, of course I exaggerate and joke, intellectual property, that's it. But I actually have more hope for modders now. Because in such a short time, the maximum that the developers will do is to redraw a few things.

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

After all, all the parts have changed, it's a graphical update.

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an interesting screenshot was posted on a Japanese forum. In another game, in collaboration, this miqote looks more similar than in the current benchmark of the original game
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP3tZcda...pg&name=medium

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Well done, that post is exactly the sort of thing the devs can use to make changes. The response above mine had some excellent suggestions, especially taking pictures at the same angle and in the same lighting. I recommend taking them into account and posting a translated version of that in the JP thread as well with a bullet point list of each item that is wrong and how you would like to see it changed.

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yes, these are useful tips, I follow them and thank you for adequate communication :3
how do I want to change these details? I just want the original and the new stuff separately. New eyelashes for you, an old nose for me, and so on :)

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I know the words from a 3rd person won't mean much, but I really think that your character looks really good in it's updated, non-edited form.
I don't usually comment on peoples updated characters because I know it's not my opinion that matters, I just really think that she looks really good.
And I do hope that whatever happens, more changed being done or not, that you'll one way or another will be happy with the character that you'll play.

And I don't wanna sound smug or anything, but I think you accidently made a double post.
I tried looking for anything that differentiate them but couldn't find any.

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to be honest, at the very beginning I didn't really like being told that my character was cuter now. Now I'm positive about it.
I see that you are saying this out of concern, not to offend. Everyone has their own opinion and it's not for me to forbid sharing it with us :3 . If you're interested, I just showed a gif of hyur to my two friends today, to which one said they were great. Another said it was downgrade and disgusting.
Yes, thanks for pointing it out, I edited the post and added the text about the smile, but I did it in advanced mode, and for some reason it went as a new post.
I'm really trying to get used to it, but somehow it seems to me that I just won't play if they leave everything as it is. I'll just replay msq again, and I'll stand afk forever. Or I'll wait for some hero to create a texture mod with our current characters. I find it quite funny that the actions of the developers force me to look towards mods.


what did the developers promise? this picture is really something that I would be happy about. Just hi res with shaders and not a single modified texture. Oh, dreams. :3
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP0KDX1bY...jpg&name=small


what I got.
https://i.imgur.com/Dxlj4eL.gif


Well, answer yourself a question. Do we, the users, need this optimization, or whatever they call it, if it does not cope with the most important, first and main task: not to change our characters. Personally, I don't need these new graphics methods at this price. * selfish, I agree* but. the other side of coin that the developers will work less, which is a definite plus for them. If only the quality did not become so mediocre, as the benchmark proves.

to be honest, I really want to do good for the developers * no matter how I criticize them.* Therefore, I apologize for maybe such unflattering words. and good for all users..

Apologies, I haven't combed the thread to see if this has been reported, but- wow, Lalafell really got some CHANGES.

Here's the before and after of my lalafell. Some minor things were lost like his subtle freckles and skin variation, which is a shame but not too major; however, my major concern is the eyebrows and face paint distortion.

Original -> Updated Benchmark
https://i.postimg.cc/J0YJDCNg/Screen...-12-151236.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c7705e66fa00&

These are both using eyebrow 5. The original had the most face paint distortion of all the eyebrows but, most importantly, the eyebrows themselves are thick, dark, and raised significantly above the face paint. Every single eyebrow option is visible above the facepaint, and they're positioned well above it with various thick options.

In the benchmark, every single eyebrow is set far below the border of the face paint and are significantly smaller and thinner, making them more or less invisible. This is a pretty huge change for the appearance of the character!

There's also The Distortion. It existed only in eyebrow 5 in the original game and notably the face paint doesn't distort at all while emoting. In the benchmark... (link leads to a 7 second video of a lalafell emoting)

https://x.com/i/status/1800963489927688243

https://i.postimg.cc/NMf51Pjw/Screen...-12-151738.png

This just cannot be intended. I know there's been a lot of concern raised about face paint, but I hadn't realized just how bad it is on lalafell, and how significantly their eyebrows had been changed. The massively thinned out, smaller brows look absolutely nothing like the previous options.

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That being said, I do think it's still worth mentioning that there remain some significant differences in her that don't stay true to her original design. The biggest issue is the size of the lips. Overall, the lips are still too big. The lower lip remains weirdly thickened, giving her mouth a distinctly different shape:

https://i.imgur.com/T7oOKXp.png

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I use the same mouth type as your character and after comparing the changes with what we have at the moment, it looks like the shading under the lower lip that is present in the current game got incorporated/absorbed into that lip somehow as a part of it and made it bigger... It's so strange

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Do people really want FFXIV to have a visual upgrade or do people want to keep the 10+years old graphics?

Maybe SE should've made a survey before they started working on it to see what people actually really want.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

Do we, the users, need this optimization, or whatever they call it, if it does not cope with the most important, first and main task: not to change our characters. Personally, I don't need these new graphics methods at this price. * selfish, I agree* but. the other side of coin that the developers will work less, which is a definite plus for them. If only the quality did not become so mediocre, as the benchmark proves.

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Honestly, I've had similar thoughts. I would be more than satisfied if the update just improved the textures and lighting, because frankly some things in the current game look really bad. The fuzzy armour, the cross-hatching on the hair strands, and certain environmental textures out in the game world especially. But I think my character's face looks objectively worse where she previously looked good, and barely better in areas that needed improvement (hair texture and disconnected lower lashes, for example). My character's eyes are similar to Llymlaen's and as her gif shows, even the texture on her iris looks worse because they've overcomplicated it and the catchlight isn't as striking.

I can't help but wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes hindering the devs' ability to do this well, because there are so many problems across all races that it begs the question if they're cutting corners and hoping we won't notice because it's being marketed as an upgrade and some things got better. The homogenization of certain assets in the old benchmark that made the clans unique would indicate this (viera pupils, keeper fangs).

At the end of the day, old graphical assets put together with care will look better than modern ones done poorly, at least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

how do I want to change these details? I just want the original and the new stuff separately. New eyelashes for you, an old nose for me, and so on :)

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Unfortunately there is zero chance of that happening so you're going to have to provide feedback on how you would like the new models tweaked as best you can.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

what did the developers promise? this picture is really something that I would be happy about. Just hi res with shaders and not a single modified texture. Oh, dreams. :3
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP0KDX1bY...jpg&name=small

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The textures were updated in that image.

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Originally Posted by CantDecide

Honestly, I've had similar thoughts. I would be more than satisfied if the update just improved the textures and lighting, because frankly some things in the current game look really bad. The fuzzy armour, the cross-hatching on the hair strands, and certain environmental textures out in the game world especially. But I think my character's face looks objectively worse where she previously looked good, and barely better in areas that needed improvement (hair texture and disconnected lower lashes, for example). My character's eyes are similar to Llymlaen's and as her gif shows, even the texture on her iris looks worse because they've overcomplicated it and the catchlight isn't as striking.

I can't help but wonder if there's something going on behind the scenes hindering the devs' ability to do this well, because there are so many problems across all races that it begs the question if they're cutting corners and hoping we won't notice because it's being marketed as an upgrade and some things got better. The homogenization of certain assets in the old benchmark that made the clans unique would indicate this (viera pupils, keeper fangs).

At the end of the day, old graphical assets put together with care will look better than modern ones done poorly, at least in my opinion.

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I completely agree with you. And judging by the reddit, users have accepted that *reddit users*. The Japanese are more persistent and almost through the message they ask to make a switcher between old and new faces. *what makes me happy, what if it's possible and they add this feature? :3

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Unfortunately there is zero chance of that happening so you're going to have to provide feedback on how you would like the new models tweaked as best you can.



The textures were updated in that image.

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Yeah, I'm just trying to be dreamy, hehe. You tell me that I say over and over again that my character is not the right one in the previous message, I agree with you and write it again. Yes, this is a very sensitive topic for me :)

I mean, in my opinion, it looks like what I wanted. The textures look very similar, I say not changed, the fact that the shape of the eyes is the same, the lips too, and in general the facial expression is like an UltraHD version of the same character

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Originally Posted by antylamon

I use the same mouth type as your character and after comparing the changes with what we have at the moment, it looks like the shading under the lower lip that is present in the current game got incorporated/absorbed into that lip somehow as a part of it and made it bigger... It's so strange

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It looks just like you say. It seems to me as if an automatic algorithm mistook this shadow for lips, and we got this result. And the developers just didn't check it. * this is a guess, but it really looks like an automation product, not like a manual job*. Because there is so much data to take into account and verify.

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Originally Posted by LlymlaenGreene

I mean, in my opinion, it looks like what I wanted. The textures look very similar, I say not changed, the fact that the shape of the eyes is the same, the lips too, and in general the facial expression is like an UltraHD version of the same character

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People say the same thing about your character, and someone who plays the catgirl in that other image would probably say they look totally different and you're crazy for thinking they look the same. That's why going through all this feedback is such a nightmare for the devs and why you need to be as specific as possible when providing it.

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I use the same mouth type as your character and after comparing the changes with what we have at the moment, it looks like the shading under the lower lip that is present in the current game got incorporated/absorbed into that lip somehow as a part of it and made it bigger... It's so strange

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They did something similar to 3 as well, maybe not as drastic as 2, but 3 is suffering as well. They also changed the curvature in the lower lip in both (maybe all?) which just confuses me since it changes the look and feel of the character so much.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-gm?authuser=0

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I actually thought more people would be talking about it, but I guess not many people play as Femroes.

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I have written three extensive pleas on the JP side of things regarding roegadyn, especially fem!roe skewed because yeah, they've butchered the faces. (Other JP players have also been doing the same - all noting 'we're the smallest played race but we're just as important' as well.)

Face 2 is missing an entire normal map (the crease for the eyebrow/nose bridge you pointed out) so the baked in flat diffuse shadow at the end of the eyebrow is now just awkward unblended contour, the nose mark/ash is nonexistent on hellsguards, the jewel eyes etc all nerfed.

The coloured pupils exist still on roe.... on male face 2 only. It was a standard for all f!roe faces and added a lot to their visual.

Trust me you're not alone, especially the 'we might as well be hyur' mood with the severe shaving of racial features.

We got buffs on fem highlanders, a slight nerf on mi qotes. Overall 9/10.

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what did the developers promise? this picture is really something that I would be happy about. Just hi res with shaders and not a single modified texture. Oh, dreams. :3
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP0KDX1bY...jpg&name=small

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The textures and the geometry are updated in this picture, sorry.



Cheers

Looks less angry, but I like the changes overall. Also Viera nose is less rabbit like.
https://i.imgur.com/Y4SUdGv.png
https://i.imgur.com/CZtv5Sk.png

From Benchmark 1:
https://i.imgur.com//PX8EN6o.jpeg

From Benchmark 2:
https://i.imgur.com/OXQ56bx.jpeg

The black make-up around the eyes was more prominent and better in benchmark 1 , and also the pupils were more black, in the current benchmark the pupils look more muddied/blurry.

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From Benchmark 1:
https://i.imgur.com//PX8EN6o.jpeg

From Benchmark 2:
https://i.imgur.com/OXQ56bx.jpeg

The black make-up around the eyes was more prominent and better in benchmark 1 , and also the pupils were more black, in the current benchmark the pupils look more muddied/blurry.

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It looks so much better when the front hair strands cast a shadow.

Posting again with a comparison of my Miqo boy in the current game and the new benchmark. Above current, below 1.1 benchmark.

https://imgur.com/iXSKvW5.jpg

Eyes: slightly narrower, but I like it, it gives him a more mature expression I think and for how long this game has been going I think it suits the character. He’s been through a lot and no matter what anyone says, he’s been going at this adventure for years. Big upgrade.

Eye color: darker, not as bright and vivid. I don’t like this change at all. His eyes are his defining feature to me. Now they’re closer to the color of his hair but I prefer them being a different shade. Going down to a lighter color makes them stand out again but they’re still not vivid or bright. Huge downgrade.

Irises: look smaller, which is annoying since they’re the large irises meaning a Fantasia will do nothing to fix it. They do add to the mature look, but I still consider this a minor downgrade.

Nose: not as narrow, looks more upturned, the nostrils don’t appear to be at as steep an angle. I think this is probably all a lighting issue, but his nose to me is very unique so it still bugs me to see it changed a little. Mostly neutral on this change.

Lips: the lips themselves are long, making the mouth look longer and not as puckered. (I’ve always described this mouth as the cat mouth, like :3.) The space between the Cupid’s bow is smaller and the lower lip isn’t as full. I LOVE his original mouth, I think it’s extremely cute and has a lot of personality. He’s a silly little cat guy and should have a cute :3 mouth! I realize it’s not the most natural lip shape with how short the upper lip is originally, but like I said it has so much personality. This isn’t just a downgrade to me, it’s devastating.

I’m willing to live with these changes as I’m cynical and don’t expect them to make anymore updates no matter how much detailed feedback we give. I’ll miss my silly little guy baby face and bright blue eyes, but I’m not gonna quit the game over it. He still looks more like himself than he did in the first benchmark.

https://imgur.com/i5JjnrP.jpg

Edited to add one shade lighter eyes in the benchmark compared to current eyes. As devastating as his mouth shape is to me, the eye color change REALLY bums me out. :(

Endwalker

https://i.ibb.co/93gXNVf/Joh-1.png

Dawntrail

https://i.ibb.co/Z2FZ977/Joh-2.png

My character's in-game hairstyle was not available, so I had to select the next best thing. The updated graphics were/are truly remarkable, which makes me all the more excited for Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail.

Posting to say I'm really happy with the changes to F Au Ra Face 3. I'm just setting up a character to be my new main for the new adventure and was undecided what I wanted, and shopped around the benchmarks to decide based on the new versions.

I hadn't played Au Ra in a long time, something never quite clicked or was off for me, but in the new benchmark, I randomly thought, hey let's try them out, see what they look like now. And totally fell in love with the face 3/eyes 3 model. It's got such a cool new vibe, and I love the eyebags, the more natural limbal rings, the mouth too. It's more lifelike, but at the same time it's got a really unique anime stylisation, and comes together so well. So I changed to this model in-game already to get used to everything, and now I can't wait for the update to drop and for the look to turn like that.

I don't have a comparison screenshot ready cause I mostly play on console, but here's the new one.
https://i.imgur.com/OrieVf6.png

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The coloured pupils exist still on roe.... on male face 2 only. It was a standard for all f!roe faces and added a lot to their visual.

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Gosh, I didn't even realise that... Now I'm even more frustrated. The fact they couldn't even get the eyes uniform across all faces just... feels like they don't care, since it's a less popular race.

I'm really hoping they address this in the upcoming live letter, if not... well, I'm starting to regret my pre-order, to be honest.

This isn't something that can be fixed with a free fantasia short of changing to a completely different race, but. I've spent years with my character as she is and I don't want to play something else.

Well.
No passing mention at all about further plans or even just a confirmation of 'we're still looking into feedback to implement' in the PLL or anything to give us hope. Could some things be OK on launch? Possibly, but I highly doubt it. All my trust with the development team is gone. Especially for roegadyn.

I'm heartbroken.

It really seems like they just left this huge undertaking til the last minute really believing if they messed up the characters not many people would care and if they did care they'd get over it in a month so it wouldn't matter. Bizarre.