Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Well, of course not. I didn't say he couldn't, now did I? You can't really silence me in voicing mine either.

However, that doesn't mean that they're immune towards me or anyone else saying what a bad opinion it is. That goes the same for me. By all means, say what you honestly want, but keep in mind that other people don't necessarily have to accept it or agree with it. Free speech only protects you from the government becoming involved, it does not protect nor allow you to be a butt without any consequences. ^^;

Just my thoughts on the matter. /shrug

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I can see how I came off as insulting you, and I didn't mean that. I'm sorry.

I largely agree with you honestly. And if people are so deeply grossed out or offended... well, I'm sure there's a mod for that.

Since they unlocked bunny outfit for guys. Next they should unlock the maid outfit and wedding dress for the guys. Then unlock all guy bound outfits for females.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

I can see how I came off as insulting you, and I didn't mean that. I'm sorry.

I largely agree with you honestly. And if people are so deeply grossed out or offended... well, I'm sure there's a mod for that.

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It's alright, no long-lasting harm done. :) Miscommunications can and always happen on forums.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Since they unlocked bunny outfit for guys. Next they should unlock the maid outfit and wedding dress for the guys. Then unlock all guy bound outfits for females.

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Thavnarian Bustier. Wedding Dress I can't see being unlocked, since the male wedding tux is also gender locked.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I feel like it’s more that, if you think of it as a continuum of masculine-unisex-feminine and you’re wanting masculine style then the unisex things are inherently “more feminine” than things on the masculine end of the spectrum - but that doesn’t mean they are still feminine when compared to the actual feminine end of the scale.

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That really depends on what you mean when you say 'unisex' though. If you take it to mean 'clothes that can be worn by either gender' then we already have examples of gear women can wear that is pretty masculine, most tank and melee outfits. Then you have the RDM and BLM AF3 sets which are honestly flat in the middle. And then you have the examples where male-locked sets were unlocked and can now be worn by women, like the sailor set and the gambler's outfit.
So no, them designing feminine clothes and letting men wear them and calling it 'unisex' is a conscious action because they have designed plenty of masculine outfits in the past. They simply refuse to invest in it, which is a pity seeing how much players want that sort of gear for their female charas.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Next they should unlock the maid outfit and wedding dress for the guys.

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The bunny outfits were originally a match to the gambler's outfit, but then 1. they added another bunny outfit, 2. unlocked the gambler's outfit. Now we've reached balance again on that front. I personally don't want everything to be gender unlocked, I just want for every set one gender can wear, the other has a match, be it a separate set or that self-same set.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

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It is kind of social issue that results in this. At a young age, people are taught what they should expect for being Male and Female from how they dress, how they talk, how they act, what kind of Jobs they are expected to have as a adult because of their Gender, and etc.

Then there are a bunch of other things such as the male concern of masculinity and "threat" of having their masculinity threatened. (there have been people who done really dumb things just because they felt their masculinity was threatened.)

Then there is the expectations of Female characters in games these days usually fall into the skimpy and physically attractive appearance which is double edged because people start thinking this stuff should only be for female characters despite there are countless other types of appearance a female can have even towards less "revealing" appearance and Male characters can have skimpy and attactive outfits as well though designed differently.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

That really depends on what you mean when you say 'unisex' though. If you take it to mean 'clothes that can be worn by either gender' then we already have examples of gear women can wear that is pretty masculine, most tank and melee outfits. Then you have the RDM and BLM AF3 sets which are honestly flat in the middle. And then you have the examples where male-locked sets were unlocked and can now be worn by women, like the sailor set and the gambler's outfit.
So no, them designing feminine clothes and letting men wear them and calling it 'unisex' is a conscious action because they have designed plenty of masculine outfits in the past. They simply refuse to invest in it, which is a pity seeing how much players want that sort of gear for their female charas.

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I was meaning in terms of an item being truly unisex - something that people of either gender would want to wear. (Thinking particularly of the recently added hairstyle which was also accused of being "unisex but actually feminine" but I would say that is, as I said in my previous post here, only an impression that you might get by comparing it to really masculine styles. I don't think it looks feminine at all.) There is, as you say, a lot of gear in the game that is unisex without being "doublespeak for feminine" as Theodric put it.

That said, there is also an issue with where the costume designers see the dividing line between male and female designs. I've said before, there are many pieces of "unisex but actually gender-split" gear where the specifically-male design is in fact feminine, while the female design is extra revealing. (eg. the pants for white mage's Orison set - a skirt over frilly bloomers for the male design while the female version only gets the skirt. And yet someone with only a male character could see the male version and quite reasonably assume they're being given a 'unisex' costume that is has been designed for females and given to them as an afterthought.)

On the imbalance of male and female options - from my own personal view, there is a lot more 'male' gear I want to use for my female characters than there is 'female' gear I want to use for my male character. Which is not the same as saying there's not a problem, just that it's not one I come up against myself.

Personal taste of course, but I'm actually happier with the range of things available for my male character even if the overall number of options is less. Perhaps it's just a matter of the designers' tastes lining up with mine for male characters better than it does for female characters.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There is, as you say, a lot of gear in the game that is unisex without being "doublespeak for feminine" as Theodric put it.

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But it's mostly the trash leveling or progression gear. Most of the pure-glamour options that are worth anything are feminine.

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On the imbalance of male and female options - from my own personal view, there is a lot more 'male' gear I want to use for my female characters than there is 'female' gear I want to use for my male character. Which is not the same as saying there's not a problem, just that it's not one I come up against myself.

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It's a different problem to the one we're talking about though. Female characters have more options, you yourself concede that point. Furthermore, for many reasons, people would rather see masculine gear on females than feminine gear on males. You're an example, but it's separate from the core issue. Also if they didn't take a nice outfit and start cutting pieces off to make the female variation more revealing, you likely would've had less male variations you wanted. It's a net of problems, honestly, and one doesn't affect the other.