Au Ra physiology and other lore.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Easiest way to explain it would be that they're decorations. Otherwise we need some sort of explanation for spontaneous growth of additional horns when a specific hairstyle is present.

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Obviously Jandelaine is so good at making people reborn that he can make the Auri grow new horns if its needed. Or ungrow.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Easiest way to explain it would be that they're decorations. Otherwise we need some sort of explanation for spontaneous growth of additional horns when a specific hairstyle is present.

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Do not need an explanation for additional horns depending on certain hairstyles. Some have additional small horns, deal with it.

Stop being pedantic.

If anything it's similar to how miqo'te males have black tips on their ears depending on hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Seiko769

I really hope the first thing we see in HW is an explanation of what Au Ra is and if they are Draconic or Demonic so this debate will end XD

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But we already know lol.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...ion-(4-25-4-26)

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The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents. (Oda)

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By this logic...ishgardians are ok with demons...but not dragons lmao

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Originally Posted by Iromi

By this logic...ishgardians are ok with demons...but not dragons lmao

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To which i reply
http://www.technologytell.com/gadget...05/JqS6luU.gif

Seriously that is something I fail to understand, suuuure Gridania is not going to have an issue with a possible voidsent wandering the woods, and nobody will ever try to seal us in jars either...
I find something off about this they are demons so its fine thing...lol

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

To which i reply
http://www.technologytell.com/gadget...05/JqS6luU.gif

Seriously that is something I fail to understand, suuuure Gridania is not going to have an issue with a possible voidsent wandering the woods, and nobody will ever try to seal us in jars either...
I find something off about this they are demons so its fine thing...lol

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Yup its very silly haha...

Soon I hope fern can explain this to us in more detail! :D

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Originally Posted by Iromi

But we already know lol.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...ion-(4-25-4-26)



By this logic...ishgardians are ok with demons...but not dragons lmao

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Says ALOt about how fucked up Ishgard is, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

But we already know lol.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...ion-(4-25-4-26)



By this logic...ishgardians are ok with demons...but not dragons lmao

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it says inspired by Demons NOT that they have demonic origins which is what I was referring to. That would be like saying Miq's origins are cats just because that's what they are inspired by (yes i know rough example considering that by the lore we DO have for Miqs they likely do have a kitty origin but it gets my point across)

Leafy sea dragon
Though once found all across the five seas, seadragon numbers are now but a mere fraction of what they once were, due in part to Ishgardian culling parties.

....yeah, Ishgardians are crazy.

Well if we look at what we have seen of the lands of Ishgard, they hate dragons with a passion but the numerous demons wondering their landscape (ogres) and dwelling in the caves of their lands are treated more as pests. They had a fort overrun by Voidsent and were like 'Damn pests' rather than 'Slay the abominations!'.

Strange priorities a 1000 years of war gives you.

Having said all that, while some look more demonic in form, they look 'normal' enough that I can see Ishgardians overlooking it. Lets face it. They don't like outsiders full stop, so they are going to be bastards until won over regardless.

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Originally Posted by Seiko769

it says inspired by Demons NOT that they have demonic origins which is what I was referring to. That would be like saying Miq's origins are cats just because that's what they are inspired by (yes i know rough example considering that by the lore we DO have for Miqs they likely do have a kitty origin but it gets my point across)

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I think you are missing the point. That Ishgard is more open to potential random demonlooking thing vs random dragon looking thing says alot.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I think you are missing the point. That Ishgard is more open to potential random demonlooking thing vs random dragon looking thing says alot.

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Truth be told, The Auri really don't look draconian other than a vague reptilian appearance. If they had wings maybe. But just Horns and a few scales, that's like saying Lalafell are Imp people just because they're short or that Roegadyn are Ogres because they're really big. Like Miqo'te having Cat Ears and a Tail, the Auri are no more related to Scale or Wyrmkin than Miqo'te are Beastkin.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/.../321/ss_07.jpg

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...rgoyle_XIV.jpg

The Horns on the Auri look more like Voidsent horns honestly.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I think you are missing the point. That Ishgard is more open to potential random demonlooking thing vs random dragon looking thing says alot.

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My original post that you quoted had nothing to do with if Ishgardians would be happy with part demon people running amuck (NOT that we have proof Auri are part demon). Don't try to spin me into an argument I'm not in I'd prefer to create my own arguments thank you very much :p

The whole "Au Ra's motif is demon" comment is highly suspect what with all those pieces of concept art that clearly say "Race_dragon" on them. If they were referring to the Xaela I would understand but otherwise that comment is a lie.

They could've just changed their minds.

When it comes to concept art if SE had changed their minds then the Au Ra should look different from what we got. The Au Ra look nothing like any of the humanoid demons within the game asides from having horns.

I hope someone from the dev/lore/community team gives some kind of clarification on that comment because otherwise it just looks like SE is lying.

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Originally Posted by lilirulu

When it comes to concept art if SE had changed their minds then the Au Ra should look different from what we got. The Au Ra look nothing like any of the humanoid demons within the game asides from having horns.

I hope someone from the dev/lore/community team gives some kind of clarification on that comment because otherwise it just looks like SE is lying.

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Aright time to settle this. The word likely used was "Yokai" which does not explicitly mean demon. It's more akin to the word Monster in the west. "Ryu" and "Long" are the Japanese and Chinese words for dragon respectively. So if they used the Word Yokai they meant Monster rather than Demon. And the Auri certainly don't look more than half human at most. (And some combinations can look very demonic. Draconic is kinda hard to make with the PC Character Models we have)

He used the word "akuma" from what I remember.

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Originally Posted by Kedrah

He used the word "akuma" from what I remember.

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In that case then it was demon. The word Akuma means Demon, Devil, or Evil Spirit. An Akuma is a type of yokai by the way.

It still doesn't make much sense for Ishgard to not freak out really. Heck it even talks about from the benchmark about how it's a common misinterpretation that the Au Ra are dragon people, despite the biological differences in the two. So, unless if Ishgard is dissecting and studying Au Ra, which I'd be curious as Au Ra in general seem to come from Othard, I'd be curious on why they don't freak out immediately/continue to hold suspicions on the Au Ra.

I'm sure it will factor in to the story somehow. Yugiri did say that she used a mask to avoid rampant panic.

One thing people seem to be forgetting is that it's not like 3.0 exists on a separate timeline; 2.x happened before it, and even if you're an Au Ra you still helped out Haruchefant and Aymeric. The former could simply relay information about your... idiosyncrasies... to the latter, who would then vouch for you following 2.4-2.5.5's events.

Might still get dirty looks from the populace, but at least as far as the government goes we should be OK. Hopefully the authorities can do something about potential lynchings...

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Originally Posted by Cilia

One thing people seem to be forgetting is that it's not like 3.0 exists on a separate timeline; 2.x happened before it, and even if you're an Au Ra you still helped out Haruchefant and Aymeric. The former could simply relay information about your... idiosyncrasies... to the latter, who would then vouch for you following 2.4-2.5.5's events.

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Right, but that also means that while trying to find the Enterprise with Alphinaud and Cid, you're approaching the houses of Ishgard as an Au Ra with no one to vouch for you. I'm curious to see if they'll acknowledge it for characters who haven't done that part of the story.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I'm sure it will factor in to the story somehow. Yugiri did say that she used a mask to avoid rampant panic.

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Which then seemed to be shrugged off in a cavalier fashion after she loses it during 2.5.5, which is followed by her walking right into Dragonhead without a care in the world.

The reveal is a mess at this point, and I really wonder where they're going with things in 3.0 itself. As it stands, apparently the Ishgardians don't care about how the Au Ra look for Reasons™.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

One thing people seem to be forgetting is that it's not like 3.0 exists on a separate timeline; 2.x happened before it, and even if you're an Au Ra you still helped out Haruchefant and Aymeric. The former could simply relay information about your... idiosyncrasies... to the latter, who would then vouch for you following 2.4-2.5.5's events.

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The weird thing about that is now Au Ra are on Eorzea before Yugiri was even there, which might work for the Xaela, but for the Raen, who seem to be coming from Doma I'm pretty sure, makes incredibly little sense. And let's not kid ourselves, not like Ishgardians really listen to reason unless if some super serious shit happens to those in higher positions (Look at the stuff that happened with that Inquisitor)

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

The weird thing about that is now Au Ra are on Eorzea before Yugiri was even there, which might work for the Xaela, but for the Raen, who seem to be coming from Doma I'm pretty sure, makes incredibly little sense. And let's not kid ourselves, not like Ishgardians really listen to reason unless if some super serious shit happens to those in higher positions (Look at the stuff that happened with that Inquisitor)

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Not really that much different from there being so many Miqo'te males then there probably should be adventuring. From a story standpoint the WoL would probably be the only Auri adventurer, or one of a few, up until Heavensward. Raen's can be said to have either fled Doma after it was taken by the Empire, Xaela just for the fight. Ultimately whatever the character was before going to one of the three city-states doesn't really matter.

That said if they don't address this with new dialouge for Yugiri, atleast for those who are Auri, that would be wierd.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

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I suppose that could make sense, or just the nomadic patterns of one Xaela tribe brought them to Eorzea, maybe to avoid Garlemald. But even then it'd be kinda weird for Yugiri to go all "Oh I'm hiding my appearance because it might startle random people" while the HoL in that cutscene is some girl in a glamoured outfit to look like a bikini :P It would seem a little weird though, being that within the story, they basically would be the first and only Auri to come to Eorzea or else Yugiri's dialogue really wouldn't make sense.

"I hide my face because it will freak people out"
To say NOTHING of the clearly scaled tail you have poking out of your clothes Yugiri.... no passing that off as miqo'te or anything.
While we just have to wait and see how they handle it, I fear it may have to come with a bit of suspension of disbelief on our parts.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Right, but that also means that while trying to find the Enterprise with Alphinaud and Cid, you're approaching the houses of Ishgard as an Au Ra with no one to vouch for you.

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I can't remember if you had Alphinaud and Cid with you on your first visit with Haurchefant, if so they can forewarn him about your "uniqueness" as far as denizens of Eorzea go through 2.x. Wear a cowl on the way in so you don't get attacked by overzealous guards, and Haurchefant can tell them to leave you alone as you go about your business. He seems like the most reasonable Ishgardian thus far, much more willing to judge on character than appearance, and both Alphinaud's and Cid's names bear some weight. Still, you spent some time at the Observatorium for some time before moving on to Camp Dragonhead, so...

Either way, I'll be surprised if there's no new dialogue for Au Ra players but they'd have to add new dialogue for most every NPC if they did that. Yugiri is probably one that needs the most attention but the vast majority of NPCs (if not all of them) would require tweaking for Au Ra players, which just isn't time or cost effective.

Here we go, new head canon to try out.

Yugiri: "I'm sorry for hiding my appearance but I was afraid with as tense as your relations with Dragons and the heretics are that it may cause some negative reactions."

Haurchefant: "Um...OK? Why would you think that?"

Yugiri: "Well... I was afraid one of the Knights may have mistaken me for a dragon."

Haurchefant: "Why would they do that? You look nothing like a dragon. If you're a dragon just because you have a few scales then that must make the Miqo'te bloody Coruels."

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

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That might work with Haurchefant but good luck convincing the rest of Ishgard :P Seeing as how they didn't believe that the Inquisitor was a fake til the guy straight up told them that they were and turned into a dragon temporarily.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

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I know its been brought up before, maybe in this thread as well but I rather not go through 47 pages trying to find it, but the Odin minion specifically mentions that his blade is of Auri origin. Even if they make rare appearances in the main city-states they are still known to exist and probably wouldn't need most NPC dialouge to be changed. Really if they were I'd wonder why Duskwight WoL aren't more distrusted by people who aren't aware of their status upon first seeing them (note I haven't played one yet so if they actually are it leads a bit more to people being surprised by Au Ra, or rather not being so, needing to be a suspension of disbelief.)

Most certainly Yugiri is the one who SHOULD be getting a dialouge change since she ended up not having something like a giant scar on her face, though its always possible she'll bring up some sorta Doman custom or the like, or just say that while an Auri WoL is accepted, it doesn't neccessarily mean all Auri would (again, Duskwights already seem to have this going on with em).

As for atleast Coerthas: Once you have Haurchefant's trust he's pretty much your biggest fan boy and would probably vouch for you. Its getting to that point that may be a problem, though seeing as how we'll be able to go freely into Coer and Ishgard it ultimately won't be a problem probably.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

That might work with Haurchefant but good luck convincing the rest of Ishgard :P Seeing as how they didn't believe that the Inquisitor was a fake til the guy straight up told them that they were and turned into a dragon temporarily.

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Uh, I think he WAS a dragon. (Or at least one crafty mage) because we found the REAL inquisitor's corpse. So this guy wasn't "Easily Trusted" he was pretending to be a high ranking and well respected member of the Church, Even a lot of NPCs mentioned him not acting right. I guarantee that if I used sorcery to turn myself into the Emperor of Garlemald after I killed him that no one would dare ask any questions if I said do something. I know that Ishguardians are Zealots of the highest order but come on, they aren't completely stupid. Even they realised they'd been had by the fake inquisitor after we convinced them to start asking questions. I highly doubt in a land of Cat People, Ageless Midgets, and Mobile Plants with a taste for human flesh, that a person with horns and a few scales here and there would automatically make an educated society like Ishguard go "By Halone's Girdle!! It's a Dragon Man/Woman! Get the torches!!"

The Inquisitor imposter was a heritic who, like some of the heritics you fight in Stone Vigil HM and Snowcloack, can use magicks to transforms themselves into dragons. I believe it is actually glamour magic and only temporary which (for gameplay's sake if nothing else) is long enough to fight and be defeated by the player. Also he did fool them for atleast a good while and got many innocents killed in the process so it was good enough for what he was out for.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

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Why wouldn't people distrust duskwights? I'm not too knowledgeable about the racial lore so I'm a bit curious. And even then, that was over a 1000+ years ago, which to mean means that the Auri that Odin fought was probably an extremely rare occurance and the Auri in question was probably clad in armor and not scene by many if anyone.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

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The issue is that the Ishgardians in Dragonhead trusted that guy enough to send several people, including some guy who's family was loyal to Ishgard for generations, to their death. They're pretty paranoid and devout people, for all they know, people who look like dragons might as well be those damn Dravanians trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I highly doubt in a land of Cat People, Ageless Midgets, and Mobile Plants with a taste for human flesh, that a person with horns and a few scales here and there would automatically make an educated society like Ishguard go "By Halone's Girdle!! It's a Dragon Man/Woman! Get the torches!!"

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Leafy Sea Dragons
Also it was a little unclear on if the inquisitor was a dragon or not, part of the story made it sound like he was a dragon disguised as a person but then during the fight your helpers call it a trick, so I am guessing he was a heritic using a glamor.

He also points out that he was able to kill hundreds.. though that sounds excessive (would have to watch the cutscene) using Ishgards paranoia about dragons and heritics, and overall unwillingness to go against the Inquisition about matters no matter how unbelievable.. I can only guess that if they don't introduce it in the story we are expected to believe my Ishgard scholar story from awhile back where it was already explained to them.

Also I am not a midget T^T I'm vertically challenged

I think we can go back to the point that though they have horns they are unlikely to be anything like the Ishgardians have seen from the Dravanians before and if they prove themselves enemies of the Dragons they are less likely to care. The Ishgardians are paranoid towards anyone who isn't from Ishgard. The most zealot of the lot probably see all outsiders as heretics anyway.

More to the point, while the WoL is heading to Ishgard for shelter, Ishgard is pretty desperately in need of aid and aren't quite in the position to be turning away help at this point. There defences are all but striped away and even holding that forced them to rely on sellswords and adventurers. Its hardly like that one battle has won the war for Ishgard. It won one battle but at the cost of much of its defences. The dragons are still on the offensive since Ishgard has been forced to pull almost all its forces back inside Ishgard to protect the city.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

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The horns are questionable yes, but we have knowledge that dragons can adapt to basically any environment, and to the paranoid Ishgardians, who took simple accusation or just a box of heretic charms as proof of herecy, looking like a dragon might as well be the next trick Dravania has up its sleeves.

It's really more a test of Ishgards faith, I mean I'd be curious if we see more of a case of "Wolves in sheeps clothing" in the expansion due to how desperate Ishgard is. And further how the story will develop in concerns to our position within the Dragonsong war. Like how on earth is Ishgard going to react to us with a little Dragon asshole floating around us claiming to be Midgardsormr? I'd figure that'd mean ourselves would become quite familiar with the bottom of a ravine quite quickly, unless if Midgard hides himself for the full time we spend in Ishgard, which I don't see happening.

Considering no one else has commented on him I suspect that Lil' Mid can only be seen by us and perhaps other people with gifts like the echo or who are dragons. He has popped out in the company of others before and spoken. I imagine he is quite likely like how the Ascians are. They are there but unless you have the gift you cant see them unless they want to be seen.

Good point! Though, it must look extremely odd Midgard is talking and we're just sort of staring off into space. I got to wonder if Midgard will ever reveal himself to any Ishgardians then, maybe if he dislikes how we're working with them or something?