Instanced Raids Unveiled!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

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nope, you still cant solo the r30 dungeon
you still obviously have no idea what has been stated about these dungeons

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Its possible we'll get more shellmates, we'll see.

However, in regards to your first point. That would be solved if there was a level cap for R30s.

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Yup, but too late for that now.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

You keep wishing on a star that I'm not popular.

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Looks like his wish came true. No one on these forums can stand you - I can only imagine it must be 100 times worse actually cohabiting on the same server as you.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Looks like his wish came true. No one on these forums can stand you - I can only imagine it must be 100 times worse actually cohabiting on the same server as you.

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No one on these forums who doesn't like me matters to anyone relevant. They're just in the way of making this product better. Guarantee I've gotten more like presses than you around here, and it's probably not even close.

In fact, the people who don't like me are the people no one on the forum likes, more than I'm not liked. There are about ten of you no one likes.

I for one don't give a damn about the non level cap because it's not my problem if some people decided to level every class up to 30+ and expect to have fun mid-game content to play with. Deal with it.

I do however have a problem with the party number restriction because I know for a fact that getting an 8 man party is going to take a long time.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

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Thank you for clearing up the speculation on these issues.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

well your attitude is shared by alot of people
i have a shell im in, where im the ONLY 50...out of 60 some odd people
and lets just say they share your opinion too
and i will be running this dungeon with them alot im sure(if they want me to run them through it, ill be on my 50, if they want a challenge, i got a 33 gladiator to help them out in)

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My LS has some people that are holding off on returning until 1.18, also. I'm hoping it'll be the start of good times. :)

Again, thanks for the warm words. See you around Besaid!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Guarantee I've gotten more like presses than you around here, and it's probably not even close.

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I loled at this pretty hard. Thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I for one don't give a damn about the non level cap because it's not my problem if some people decided to level every class up to 30+ and expect to have fun mid-game content to play with. Deal with it.

I do however have a problem with the party number restriction because I know for a fact that getting an 8 man party is going to take a long time.

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it is its own issue

the 4 man requirement wont be too bad
the 8 man wont be at first, but eventualy it could be bad

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

My LS has some people that are holding off on returning until 1.18, also. I'm hoping it'll be the start of good times. :)

Again, thanks for the warm words. See you around Besaid!

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look me up when they get back, always looking for more to do in game(especialy since im close to finishing all my crafts finaly)

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

I loled at this pretty hard. Thanks for that.

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No response from someone with no defense. Typical.
Truth is, I'm more popular than you around here. Maybe you're just jelly.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

(especialy since im close to finishing all my crafts finaly)

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You're craaaaaaazy

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

No response from someone with no defense. Typical.
Truth is, I'm more popular than you around here. Maybe you're just jelly.

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Lol, what am I suppose to defend? You saying you have more like responses to me? Shall I look up all my post, count them and then do the same for yours? I was laughing because I picture you giving a big snort, pushing up your coke-bottle glasses and giving a shorty chortle as you typed that out. I think its time for you to get the choo-choo set out and play awhile, child.

Outstanding. lol

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

You're craaaaaaazy

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thats what everyone keeps telliong me
and these damn threads are distracting me from finishing blacksmithing right now lol, 35k to go!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

look me up when they get back, always looking for more to do in game(especialy since im close to finishing all my crafts finaly)

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Will do! :)

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

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No you wont as the Dev comment said you must have 4 ppl to enter at said level so no you wont be soloing them

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats what everyone keeps telliong me
and these damn threads are distracting me from finishing blacksmithing right now lol, 35k to go!

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Gah, I'm struggling with gsm because crafting takes so long. I don't have the attention span for it ><

Still, that said you craaaaazy.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats what everyone keeps telliong me
and these damn threads are distracting me from finishing blacksmithing right now lol, 35k to go!

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Congrats! :) I've been Rank 25 Goldsmith for about a week now, crafting Obsydian Arrowheads to grind on, and i cant help it when someone in any of my LS wanna do something and distract me xD

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Gah, I'm struggling with gsm because crafting takes so long. I don't have the attention span for it ><

Still, that said you craaaaazy.

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oh god dont talk about goldsmithing
im not looking forward to it

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

oh god dont talk about goldsmithing
im not looking forward to it

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From my understanding, bsm is one of the hardest crafts to get to 50 so you should do well since you seem to have that inherent craziness to craft that much in the first place. I just don't have the attention span for it. Even with a movie on I get jittery ><

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

From my understanding, bsm is one of the hardest crafts to get to 50 so you should do well since you seem to have that inherent craziness to craft that much in the first place. I just don't have the attention span for it. Even with a movie on I get jittery ><

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bsm is EASY, just takes a ton of silver
right now im making silver javelin head sfor 180-250 sp a pop, on fatigue, 35k to go

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

No response from someone with no defense. Typical.

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It is. /stare

Not too keen on the minimum requirements myself, but it will be nice that it pushes people to interact a bit more. I just think it should be softened a bit to help ease the burden of having say 13ppl show up to do r50 dungeons. Either way you slice it, 5ppl are going to be short. Kind of hard to run it as a LS event with those requirements. :(

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Outstanding. lol

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I totally pictured something from Killer Instinct like a 56-hit combo then an ominous voice out of nowhere "OUTSTANDING!!" "KILLER COMBO!!"

less personal bickering, more discussion of instances please.

Fast answers to the questions raised by the community Bayohne, keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

less personal bickering, more discussion of instances please.

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its really hard to do this when a certain someone comes into a thread, its their main method of attack

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

bsm is EASY, just takes a ton of silver
right now im making silver javelin head sfor 180-250 sp a pop, on fatigue, 35k to go

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Ah, one of my LS mates who is only semi crazy (not full blown like yourself - he has 3/50 crafts) said its one of the hardest.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I totally pictured something from Killer Instinct like a 56-hit combo then an ominous voice out of nowhere "OUTSTANDING!!" "KILLER COMBO!!"

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OMG!!!!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

it is its own issue
the 4 man requirement wont be too bad
the 8 man wont be at first, but eventualy it could be bad

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It'll be fine the first week when it's new stuff but after that I can see it being troublesome getting 8 people together, especially since I don't play at peak times.

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Originally Posted by Colino

It'll be fine the first week when it's new stuff but after that I can see it being troublesome getting 8 people together, especially since I don't play at peak times.

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Its going to depend on how rare the drops are and what the content of the dungeons are.

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

No you wont as the Dev comment said you must have 4 ppl to enter at said level so no you wont be soloing them

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Lalafell clones say HI.
You all actually think you can post something that will surprise me is the amazing thing.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

less personal bickering, more discussion of instances please.

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Too late. Discussion should have already happened a month and a half ago when the outcome could have been changed.
This is why the people whining wait wait wait and see are wrong.

You get **** decisions from the developers, and now it's too late.

Now you can only address the real problem, which are fans of bad systems that drive the creation of bad systems to begin with. At that point, the only thing you can fix are the players who are wrong, defending wrong and silence them so their drivel doesn't infect any more content.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Too late. Discussion should have already happened a month and a half ago when the outcome could have been changed.
This is why the people whining wait wait wait and see are wrong.

You get **** decisions from the developers, and now it's too late.

Now you can only address the real problem, which are fans of bad systems that drive the creation of bad systems to begin with. At that point, the only thing you can fix are the players who are wrong, defending wrong and silence them so their drivel doesn't infect any more content.

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...which is still possible under the banner of proper forum decorum.

(hey sweet that rhymes)

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Lalafell clones say HI.
You all actually think you can post something that will surprise me is the amazing thing.

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If someone is willing to level up 4 characters to 25 then more power to them, also Lala clones won't be as much as a big deal when they start charging. I mean who in the hell would pay for 4 characters to solo a dungeon?

Thanks Bayohne, as always!

And anyway... "How can it be difficult if everyone 25+ can do that raid? I can go with my R50 party and zerg rush the sh*t out of it."
Well... DUH!? It's called R25+ because it's challenging for classes around R25+! It's called R45+ because it's challenging for classes around R45+!
What did you want, challenge and difficulty for R25 content even though you're R46? If that's so, reroll a character and do your R25 stuff. That's a Low-Level Dungeon.

Ninja-Edit: I wonder if they'd put a R30 cap for that dungeon how'd you guys react. I think worse =D

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

...which is still possible under the banner of proper forum decorum.

(hey sweet that rhymes)

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even with our heated discussion it was civil at least
as i said, a certain someone does this to every thread

Just maybe..... if you have higher rank/level player in your party than level requirement (say R/L50 in R/L25+ dungeon) the mob settings get that harder?? I forgot what game had this... but 1 high level player can screw up the dungeon if it was meant for everyone is required to play a part like 4 switches at 4 locations, etc. But for Soloing purpose asking friends at 25+ to join and trying out on 50 might be fun to try :)

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Just maybe..... if you have higher rank/level player in your party than level requirement (say R/L50 in R/L25+ dungeon) the mob settings get that harder?? I forgot what game had this... but 1 high level player can screw up the dungeon if it was meant for everyone is required to play a part like 4 switches at 4 locations, etc. But for Soloing purpose asking friends at 25+ to join and trying out on 50 might be fun to try :)

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thats what the difficulty slider is for

also, champions online is a game that has that

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

...which is still possible under the banner of proper forum decorum.

(hey sweet that rhymes)

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Not really. Some players are just threats to quality control and don't have the maturity to be reasoned with. They simply do not want to be told by some R30 dungeon that they aren't good players, becasue good players are rank 50 and they're rank 50!

Childish mentality doesn't comprehend civility or reason. They will meet that with tantrum and selfishness.

To treat such childishness with civiity and reason just gives them the impression that their opinions are valid when their opinions are ruining the game.

This R30 dungeon should have been a wakeup call to the R50s that their rank won't save them, only their proficiency will. And yet the opportunity is lost to the terrible players who think they're below rank 30 content when they're not.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

less personal bickering, more discussion of instances please.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

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Make it so.

This is in regards to solely the rank 50 dungeon (mostly because I'm still confused about having a rank 25/30 dungeon with no level cap).

I understand the idea of having a minimum entry requirement regarding the number of players attending. But isn't making that number at precisely the maximum number of possible players in a party extremely limiting? For example, saying you can't enter Limbus without 18, or Salvage without 12, but having those also be the maximum number of entrants?

If you let parties of 6 enter, even if the dungeon is too difficult, at least those 6 players can give it a shot with the friends available. Make some progress, hone their skills on the early part of the dungeon until time runs out, acquire some SP/rewards, etc. My concern is having those 6 available and then being required to randomly shout for an additional 2 (if those could even be found). Currently in FFXIV, there isn't a mechanism to do that in any way that isn't utterly painful. And I can't imagine anything more frustrating than having 7 members ready to go and simply not being able to find an 8th, in a game that literally has zero other content for rank 50s.

So, am I missing something here? I think someone brought this up before, but a linkshell with something like 15 available players will only service 8, while the remaining 7 are out of luck (or have to find the aforementioned random dude). This obviously gets more difficult as the remainder of available players deviates from multiples of 8.