SE, no effort anywhere lately.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I get gold from everything, I can have my addons, there's gear all over the place

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I doubt I get any meaningful gold from WQ, dungeons or raids in WoW, maybe if you DE the gear to then drop some enchants on the AH. Most gold I got was from selling raid BoEs which is kind of dumb, while gold making for a crafter like LW is usually - go farm a lot of mats, craft hundreds of pants, and vendor them.
Gear is everywhere in woW but as the game is all about player grading and player power then the 90% of gear you can get given patch has to low ilvl and ilvl matters a lot while here it's secondary unless you are doing the hardest optional content. And if you don't care about WoW M+ RIO score, your HC/Mythic raid parses then FF14 has the same easy access to average patch gear.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

, a million pet battles and toys,

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Toys usually get big cooldowns because fun detected, pet battles is just one mini game and there isn't much other mini games in WoW vs FF14 though.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

there's tons of QoL, transmog tabs, so much bag space, crafting from my bank, season events I can spend proper time on

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7.0 will be the turning point for FF14. They can't hide behind "engine limitations" forever. Poor UX/UI, lack of constantly requested features. There are other MMORPG in development, existing ones aren't standing in place either, not to mention other game types. FF14 just ended their Illidan/Lich King/Garrosh storyline and will have to make a new one from scratch not to mention compete on a technical level with more and more competition.

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Originally Posted by sharknado

7.0 will be the turning point for FF14. They can't hide behind "engine limitations" forever. Poor UX/UI, lack of constantly requested features. There are other MMORPG in development, existing ones aren't standing in place either, not to mention other game types. FF14 just ended their Illidan/Lich King/Garrosh storyline and will have to make a new one from scratch not to mention compete on a technical level with more and more competition.

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Let's hope so - Hype me says they learned from it and will bring all that experience and energy to XIV.

But there's a very real fear that now that Yoshi and team got a taste of real mainline, maybe they'll just kinda let XIV float in semi-maintenance mode.

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Originally Posted by R041

Let's hope so - Hype me says they learned from it and will bring all that experience and energy to XIV.

But there's a very real fear that now that Yoshi and team got a taste of real mainline, maybe they'll just kinda let XIV float in semi-maintenance mode.

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The 1 million dollar question is, isnt it already ?

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Originally Posted by R041

Let's hope so - Hype me says they learned from it and will bring all that experience and energy to XIV.

But there's a very real fear that now that Yoshi and team got a taste of real mainline, maybe they'll just kinda let XIV float in semi-maintenance mode.

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The problem imo is the mainline is inferior to the MMO line, seeing as XI was the most profitable game and then XIV took over.... Like? what more do they want from these games, they are some of the most important SE assets ever.

To be blunt, I hope they put FFXIV out to pasture and work on another MMO. Something that plays more like SoP and XVI would be preferable, being more action-oriented than Everquesty. Do away with the concept of the raid and replace it with something more Monster Hunter-esque, where all content can be done solo but supports parties of up to eight (instead of Monster Hunter's four) people. With scaling, of course - otherwise grouping up would practically be a cheat. Might also toss in a handful of things that do require more people, ala Safi'Jiiva.

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Originally Posted by sharknado

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You realize you broke down my entire wall of text to try and tell me why I'm wrong for having fun?

I don't care about ff players myths about WoW being toxic (the community has actually been really nice so far) or logical debates over whether WQ's are really rewarding or not or what the "right" way to enjoy a game is. All I care about is "am I having fun"? In this game the answer is no, even after taking breaks incase of burnout. In other games the answer is yes.

I left my feedback and I'll move on. You can't argue me out of that opinion. I'm not going to read counter-points and suddenly realize "They're right! FF is fun, I've been blind, I love the game now!". The fact is FF14 is no longer enjoyable for me and hasn't been for a long while, breaks or not, but other games are.

Im gonna see how fun is 6.35 gonna be, and if I will be bored, I will also move to wow. Sadge Im gonna need to pay 40 bucks for DF expansion :/

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Serious question, but are you just here on the forums to be a contrarian?

I've seen you bash the game before, I've seen to critique some of the more outdated bits really heavily, but right now with a lot of people complaining about a lot of the latest releases you're in the exact opposite direct. It's not even sensible half the time, it's literally just pedal to the metal arguing against the whole thread senselessly.

What is your goal if it's not to be contrarian and argumentative?

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Some things I agree with. Some things I don't. I have no interest in being part of a hive mind. I do, however, enjoy discussing the game with other players.

Overall, I see the game positively. No game is going to be perfect but focusing on the negatives of a game doesn't not improve enjoyment of it. Players should at least acknowledge what they are enjoying about the game at the same time they talk about what could be improved.

What always confuses me are those who bash almost every part of the game but then have no problem continuing to pay $15/month to play it. If the game is that bad, why spend money on it instead of spending money on better games? They also rarely bring up examples of other comparable games doing those things better. If they can't offer examples of another game doing it right, then perhaps the real problem is players setting their expectations unrealistically high.

Finally, there's the problem of game age. Any game is going to feel dated after a while. Game developers trying to shake up a game's design formula risk alienating the long time players who had been happy with what the game had been while not attracting enough new players to offset those lost.

On the player side, any game you've played for several years is only going to start feeling easier and easier. You're familiar with the systems, you know what to expect and your skill level has increased compared to how you started. Yet the game itself still must be created to be accessible to the completely new player (not just those new to the specific game but those new to gaming in general). You can't set the skill bar too high or those players quickly drop out because they haven't had the time to build that skill. You can't overload them with mandatory content or they feel they can never get caught up (which has already been acknowledged as a problem with the MSQ and SE has announced they've been making plans to deal with it).

So, where are the examples of games that have addressed the issues that the OP brought up in their initial post in a better way than FFXIV? Are there none? If there are none, is it because the gaming industry is embracing mediocrity in general (in which case, why are gaming consumers continuing to pay to support mediocrity) or is it players setting expectations unrealistically high?

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Originally Posted by Denhith

Sounds like you enjoy WoW. Which, is perfectly fine and all that. Bit strange that you if you are having so much fun in another game you feel the need to come to the forum of the game you no longer play just to bitch about it.

I mean, if you've moved on...then MOVE ON. Trust, it's the healthy thing to do.

Have fun!

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Doesn't mean that moving on is easy to do when you've devoted a number of years to a game.

I had the same problem when I was leaving WoW. And the problem solves itself when game time runs out and you lose the ability to post in the game forums outside of what's available ot trial players.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

Exactly! Let people go away from our game, just because they find it boring lately. Thats awesome idea! And it works. I also downloaded wow after so many years and thinking about buying a sub just because every dummy in this forum tells me I should go play other games. And lemme tell, you, Im not gonna play FF for a LOONG time before a catch up with all wow content that released. So cg. Just caps shout everybody, who wants FF14 to improve, so they can have more fun with it, to go away. Let FF die and move on! Was a fun ride while it lasted...

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So then maybe the problem is that you have played this game long enough to get burned out and be in need of something different (but not too different). WoW has changed enough in the past 6 years or so that it probably doesn't feel much like the game a lot of us left because we started to hate it. It will feel fresh and new where FFXIV can't.

Let's hope it doesn't disappoint.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Some things I agree with. Some things I don't. I have no interest in being part of a hive mind. I do, however, enjoy discussing the game with other players.

Overall, I see the game positively. No game is going to be perfect but focusing on the negatives of a game doesn't not improve enjoyment of it. Players should at least acknowledge what they are enjoying about the game at the same time they talk about what could be improved.

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So, where are the examples of games that have addressed the issues that the OP brought up in their initial post in a better way than FFXIV? Are there none? If there are none, is it because the gaming industry is embracing mediocrity in general (in which case, why are gaming consumers continuing to pay to support mediocrity) or is it players setting expectations unrealistically high?



Doesn't mean that moving on is easy to do when you've devoted a number of years to a game.

I had the same problem when I was leaving WoW. And the problem solves itself when game time runs out and you lose the ability to post in the game forums outside of what's available ot trial players.

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I agree with most of what you say, but a clear example, unfortunately, and as much as people want to hate it, WoW. That game has been around since 2004 or so and it still brought huge crowds for Dragon Flight. Sure it's had its failures but it does seem they experiment more than SE does.

I'm not a WoW player, but I know plenty. But it is an example regardless.

The game certainly doesn't feel like it's in maint mode.

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People usually stay, because they make bonds in the game. I know many people, who are legit Limsa AFKers, because they dont feel enjoyement with the game alone, but they enjoy spending their time talking with others. Could they spend less money and do that in games like VRChat? 100%. But they are used to FF style and most of em dont wanna change themselfs.

Other players are taking break. PF on Chaos datacentre is DEAD. Nothing happening.

"Game developers trying to shake up a game's design formula risk alienating the long time players" - not true. Long time players are mad that they dont risk anymore. Or they risk (Islands and Crtieon), but not in engaging way.

I dunno. It feels like you are just madge that others dares to speak, that they dont find current style of game... engaging.