Fix Housing Megathread

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Originally Posted by Catstab

You say people playing the game are breaking rules. I say they plainly aren't. You decide that's grounds for personal insults?

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I'm not the one that started sock-puppeting people.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

For someone so sensitive about the subject of harassment, you certainly love doing it to others.

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Sometimes the only way to get someone that likes harassing others to stop is to harass them back so they go "oh, that's not a good idea and I should stop it"

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

They don't need to change it they made their decision. Those players played by the rules and the dev team understands that. You definitely don't. You don't make the decisions and your ranting about it continually isn't going to change anything. They did the right thing.

Tell you what report back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

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It's still something that needs to change cause (quite honestly) the entire housing system needs an ownership defrag as SE isn't adding more wards anytime soon, so getting ownership optimized to one personal house per server per account and the FC houses to only the legitimate FCs is going to free up houses for others to participate in this system.

Or in other words, the status quo sucks and it needs to change.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

someone that likes harassing others

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Considering I'm the one you're harassing, I'll assume you mean me.

So now you're saying I like harassing people? Look, I don't know what your deal is, but you don't know me, and you need to back off, now. My entire point, my only point, is that no players with alt housing have broken any rules. You're angry because I changed your link to "0<rules posted in 2018>"? The link you posted was literally rules posted in 2018. I don't see how labeling your link instead of including it is dishonest.

So you can either point out where those rules were posted in 2015, or you can accept that the guidelines you're pointing out did not apply to the players you are upset about and drop this.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

I'm not the one that started sock-puppeting people.

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No one is sock puppeting you. You said "What about these rules <link to rules posted in 2018>" and I wrote the link like that instead of including it.

Are you disagreeing that your rules are from 2018 or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

To be honest, no, you are just witch hunting like a zealot ignoring all senses and logics.

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That's a fancy way of saying "I disagree with you"

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

These two players bought these plots when no one wanted them (that is a fact) and they put in time, effort and gils to create a legacy of their own. That shouldn't be taken away just all of sudden community want a house plot.

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There are no other solutions on the table, and (to be quite honest) they are hogging an entire ward that would let another 20-30 people join in housing. Why should those 20-30 people be locked out because two are being selfish and greedy?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Can you blame S/E? NO you can't You are blinded if you ignored the fact upon until Personal Housing is installed, 2/3 of housing wards are emptied.

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If that's true, why have I pointed out several things that LotRO has done better than FFXIV in housing?

SE's oversight was that they didn't really take into consideration that people would have alts (which has much less need now that New Game+ is a thing) and they built the entire personal housing around the limited subscription. SE made several mistakes and I have been advocating for changes to the housing system like having all alts on a server get ports to all personal houses on the same server owned by that service account and also housing storage that will allow someone to transfer items between chars on the server. These are two things that LoTRO has had for player housing since it launched many years ago, and it's two things that are long overdue in FFXIV for housing.

While I will be (occasionally) hyperbolic, I have been consistently advocating for positive change to the system.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

On other hand, you are the source of a lot of NA player's living nightmare with that little reclaim timer idea of yours. Not saying it is not an effective method, but it nevertheless is short sighted because SE too didn't expect players will try to camp it 24 hours straight.

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When Yoshi-P indicates that there are RMT issues within housing (largely because of the housing market that existed before it), and they still exist to this day... that idea was not short sighted. SE saw it as an easy way to stop the housing flipping which it does exceedingly well. If you're someone that got burned by it then (quite honestly) you deserved it.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

This is also why I am not buying any short sighed ideas such as casino, etc.

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I fail to see what this has to do with anything.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

No one is sock puppeting you. You said "What about these rules <link to rules posted in 2018>" and I wrote the link like that instead of including it.

Are you disagreeing that your rules are from 2018 or am I missing something?

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Overall, he has a zealot-like hatred towards those 2 on Mateus and weird logic about housing that totally ignore the fact it is impossible for physical servers (supply) to meet rapid growth of playerbase (demand).

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Originally Posted by Catstab

No one is sock puppeting you.

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Yes you are.

When you do anything to edit the quote beyond breaking it into pieces that's sockpuppeting because you are putting words into my mouth that were never spoken and changing what I have said.

Remember the other poster that went ham against me and got banned?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

weird logic about housing that totally ignore the fact it is impossible for physical servers (supply) to meet rapid growth of playerbase (demand).

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You know that supply issue I keep talking about? That's what you just described.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Yes you are.

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Again, I changed the quote from "Read these rules though http://www.square-enix...."

to "Read these rules though <link to rules from 2018>"

So I did not alter what you said. I have not been dishonest. Your accusations are false.

Anyway back to the topic at hand....

So on top of those rules added in 2018, what changes do you think should be made to the system? Since that's sort of the purpose of this thread.