Concepts from other MMOs that would be utterly anathema to FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

BDO has it

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Yeah, but the way FFXIV draws a hard line between pvp abilities and pve abilities would make it really hard to implement. Especially since the pvp stuff isn't based on gear to buff your damage etc. Which would mean either dealing with those ramifications in FFXIV's open world, or just making open world pvp use the pve skill sets that are not at all concerned with pvp balance, be int in 1v1 or group vs group. It would just be a disaster.

Open world PvP in FFXIV? LOL yeah right! For one it would take a ton of balancing and SE barely does that for proper PvP, and even if it was opt-in it would be dead within a month because nobody would opt-in.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Open world PvP in FFXIV? LOL yeah right! For one it would take a ton of balancing and SE barely does that for proper PvP, and even if it was opt-in it would be dead within a month because nobody would opt-in.

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Yeah. The one advantage it would have over WoW is that, being free for all and not faction based, they wouldn't have to unseccessfully try and bribe one side into joining it more, but it would still not go very well. Even if they tried it before the hard pvp/pvp split in FFXIV I think it would be hardly used.

Pre-big bang maplestory exp curve in ffxiv :v

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Originally Posted by Kalise

In a similar vein, I remember in Pandaria and Warlords of Boredom they gated Heroic Dungeons in the LFD tool behind achieving Silver in the Proving Grounds for your role.

To which a ton of (Mostly DPS mains) cried about how it was too hard...

Meanwhile, I was able to get Gold in the Tank and Healer with Silver in the DPS as a Healer. I got Gold in the Tank, DPS and Healer ones as a Tank. While as a DPS I got gold in the DPS and Healer ones with Silver in Tank.

Due to how incredibly easy the Proving Grounds actually were... Which is a show in just how garbage your average PuG group was... (I also remember one person in my guild complaining it was impossible for her class to beat Silver... Then another of my, guild mates leveled up a character of the same class and found that you could complete the entire 10 stages with a single skill usage...)

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God yes I remember this lol. I found it quite easy on all 3 roles but my god the forums went nuts because over half the playerbase couldn't complete it. I quit wow shortly after this.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

It did offer a layer of strategy beyond rolling your face across the AoE's on your keyboard. Especially as a Tank where you can determine which targets are the most dangerous for you (Most notably during WotLK where you had things like Unholy Deathknight tanks that pooped on magical damage vs things like Warrior and Frost Deathknights that laughed in the face of physical damage)

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I'm now remembering the sheer fear I held for the Nerubian spell-casters when undergeared as a Frost tank, begging my party to let me get hit by the low-damage spells so that I could build Acclimation to survive the stronger hits, while gleefully eating the spells whole on Unholy, only to fearfully prod my way up the Uthgarde Pinnacle balcony pull on Unholy while full-pulling on Frost, fearing only the strongest individual hits. 3 viable DPS specs, with about 7 successful builds between them, atop 3 viable tank specs for various styles and content types, each with distinct advantages and weaknesses... What a time...

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Originally Posted by Kalise

People think trash is boring so devs make trash into mindless cleave dummies, which makes them boring.

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Perhaps the foremost error in game design, in a nutshell.

More diverse pvp modes, and smaller frontlines, to make PvP more fun. However, when I have suggested this in the past, I all I got was “No PvP in FF14! Waste of resources! WoW is toxic,WOW has pvp, this FF14 will get more toxic with more PvP modes!” So I guess it’s in the anathema category XD

Maybe people would be less toxic in FF14 PvP if PvP was more fun and enjoyable?

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yeah. The one advantage it would have over WoW is that, being free for all and not faction based, they wouldn't have to unseccessfully try and bribe one side into joining it more, but it would still not go very well. Even if they tried it before the hard pvp/pvp split in FFXIV I think it would be hardly used.

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I like PvP too, but there's just no way it would work in this game without some massive overhauls. The games where open world PvP actually worked were designed around having it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I like PvP too, but there's just no way it would work in this game without some massive overhauls. The games where open world PvP actually worked were designed around having it in the first place.

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And generally didn't gut it down to a small fraction of the complexity of their PvE elements...

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yeah, but the way FFXIV draws a hard line between pvp abilities and pve abilities would make it really hard to implement. Especially since the pvp stuff isn't based on gear to buff your damage etc. Which would mean either dealing with those ramifications in FFXIV's open world, or just making open world pvp use the pve skill sets that are not at all concerned with pvp balance, be int in 1v1 or group vs group. It would just be a disaster.

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In general PvP seems to do best in games that do not build their PvE gameplay around a lack of intelligence. The more advanced their AIs, and the more enemies' abilities and capacities range as widely as your own, the better the game can support PvP since at that point you're fighting against your own intelligences and toolkits.