Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed

I remember Ultimecia. I was 13 yo when I played FFVIII. I wiped more than 100 times, and when I finally defeated her, I screamed like crazy and I was trembling.

I remember Adel, the boss who slowly killed Rinoa. I wiped 50 times before I tried Irvine's special abilities, and destroyed her in 2 mins. I was extremely happy.

I remember Psycho Mantis, and the intelligence and ingenuity required to beat him in Metal Gear Solid. My head hurted when I figured it out.

I remember the puzzles of Silent Hill 1,2,3.

I remember the wipefest that was the original Forbidden Siren.

Those were the days, when videogames were actually challenging and required mental capacity and ingenuity to defeat.

Nowadays, even with some medium difficulty battle added to a faceroll game, snowflakes complain and whine for nerf.

Grow a pair, learn the fight, wipe endlessly and when you finally beat it, you will be way more happy than facerolling through it.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

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That was actually another critique I saw here; the entry iLVL feels way too low to some players.

I've gotten through two parties with only 2 learners, both with 5-ish wipes, and my adjustment was just to not shift focus too much off pure healing. One mistake can melt a DPS, lot's of raid wide damage hits in succession, both tanks in constant danger, lots of movement, and Scholar mana costs are in a rough spot right now. My overall DPS output is pretty garbage as I can only keep bio up, a couple deathflares, and maybe ruin 2 the tail a fews times if no one is critical. I'm iLVL292.

Two fights is not enough to gauge for balance, but that's a highly tuned fight if I've yet to find a spot with enough time to comfortably use miasma or broil.

And I'm not a EX level player, never have been. Honestly, the doggy mounts and talk that Susano and Lakshmi EX are easier is making me reconsider that.

None of the mechanics are very hard , and even if a few people die this is extremely easy. I would have to suppose people are trying to waste LB on dps rather then letting healers hold it for recovering. You can win this even if everyone is only wearing their job quest gear you just have to play smart ,and learn the mechanics.

Please don't nerf this. Please don't nerf this. Please don't nerf this. First time got to 7% but we didnt have a lb3 because a dps burned it. We would have cleared it on the first try if we had it. 1am pug group and 3 tries were all we needed. It's the perfect end to 4.0 imo.

It's hard to dodge a 5-8 second aoe or mechanic I guess, also hard to hit something that pops up your screen that does a large amount to the boss in last phase. lol

Finally did it. Wiped loads of times, disbanded once, went in again, wiped once, 2nd go managed to beat Shinryu.
You only need to see the mechanics once to know how they're all done, it's also nothing we haven't seen before, we're beyond the inconsistent icons that were in ARR and early HW where one stack icon could mean something else in another duty. It was a challenging fight and a great way to put all your new abilities to the test after a long journey to finally take down the big bad. Get good, and take pride in overcoming challenges.

it is an easy fight, but people need to stop treating it like they over gear it. I ran it several times yesterday, and had 3 wipes, before people leaving, and it got to the point that any trial roulette me and my g/f did was gonna pop this.

She loves the fight but is very burnt out because of lack of communication and teamwork. She tries to explain the fight, but people pull to fast. She tries to tank/explain but gets called out for "complaining". What people need to do is stop and communicate, stop acting so solo in group content.

the dps need to stay away from the tanks, and tanks need ti be stacked for ahk mourn having dps chill by tanks is bad idea, because it can tether the dps instead. People have claimed this isn't a cure intensive fight, but oit very much is. I've seen healers get completely drained of mp before the shift change and run on fumes the later 1/2.

i've seen healers dps more then cure, blaming everyone else yet they are the reason people die.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

None of the mechanics are very hard , and even if a few people die this is extremely easy. I would have to suppose people are trying to waste LB on dps rather then letting healers hold it for recovering. You can win this even if everyone is only wearing their job quest gear you just have to play smart ,and learn the mechanics.

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I agree, but the number of people that join RM without completing their lvl70 job quest is awfully high and I don't get why. As soon as I hit 70 I literally rushed to complete the job quest.
New shiny skill? Sign me up
New awesome gear? Yay
New cool weapon? YAY
But no no, a lot of people (at least in my Data Center) ignore it and join regardless - a lot of them with lvl60 gear, too. Not surprised you wipe!

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Originally Posted by Sereph6

I agree, but the number of people that join RM without completing their lvl70 job quest is awfully high and I don't get why. As soon as I hit 70 I literally rushed to complete the job quest.
New shiny skill? Sign me up
New awesome gear? Yay
New cool weapon? YAY
But no no, a lot of people (at least in my Data Center) ignore it and join regardless - a lot of them with lvl60 gear, too. Not surprised you wipe!

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Probably because all the other new skills were not locked behind the job quests.

Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed ?


How are you in any way objective?



To be objective: Since ARR I guess, no content (outisde of Savage) was nerfed while current, except for Steps of Faith.
And that didn't get nerfed, because it was "too hard", it was because the overall design was bad: It was not possible to join in progress without at least losing 30 mins, consisting of 10 mins until the unaivoidable wipe + a full new run. And with some mistakes right at the start it's still 15 mins waiting to try again.
Objectily the outcry for nerfs was way more frequent regarding Steps of Faiths and Final Steps of Faith. FSoF is still unnerferd.
Nerfing of "Steps of Faith" is not a precedence for nerfing "hard content", it's a precedence for nerfing "broken content".

The only ones being really objective are the developers. They just look at the clear-% of currently subbing players and % of players gated just behind that specific MSQ quest. If it's too low (and can't be raised by applying echo with the patch tomorrow or the one in 2 weeks, when savage gets released), then they will nerf it. If not, then not.