Samurai Discussion

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

Hakaze (5K) - Jinpu (10K) - Gekko (20K) - Iaijutsu (Higanbana) (20K) - Hakaze (25K) - Shifu (30K) - Hissatsu: Shinten (5K) - Kasha (15K) - Meikyo Shisui (15K) - Gekko (25K) - Yukikaze (35K) - Hissatsu: Kaiten (15K) - Iaijutsu (Midare Setsugekka) (15K) - Kasha (25K) - Hagakure (45K) - Hakaze (50K) - Hissatsu: Guren (0K) - Jinpu (5K) - Gekko (15K) - Hakaze (20K) - Yukikaze (30K) - Hissatsu: Shinten (5K) - Gekko (15K) - Hakaze (20K) - Yukikaze (30K) - Hissatsu: Shinten (5K) - Hakaze (10K) - Shifu (15K) - Kasha (25K) - Hissatsu: Kaiten (5K) - Iaijutsu (Midare Setsugekka) (5K)

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That gekko where does it come from? its wrong i think.

I have calculated pps from this "opener" and its low, really low.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

The opener that was posted by Daioh, he is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the 3-Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Maim out of necessity as there is no other way to attain 3 Sen without the use of Yukikaze (regardless of when the warrior uses it during the opener).

Edit: corrected, Maim changed in SB

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Yes, as I said in a previous post it is not like you completely avoid Yukikaze. You will eventually cast it. However, it is a DPS loss going for Hakaze-Yukikaze first given that the WAR is going to open his DPS rotation with Heavy Swing-Maim (Maim applies the Slashing Debuff now in Stormblood). So having two people casting Slashing Resistance at the same time doesn't give us any benefit. WAR is forced to open his rotation with Heavy Swing-Maim, while SAM can theoretically open with any of the 3 combos ( 1. Jinpu-Gekko, 2. Shifu-Kasha, 3. Yukikaze), but number 1 combo (Jinpu-Gekko) happens to be the most beneficial DPS wise. After that one it is better to opt for the second (Shifu-Kasha) and finally casting Yukikaze. That way you get maximum DPS benefit and you also get your Higanbana buffed by both Jinpu and Slashing Resistance that WAR applied.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

That gekko where does it come from? its wrong i think.

I have calculated pps from this "opener" and its low, really low.

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Oops, there was a mistake while typing it. Let me correct it right away:

Hakaze - Jinpu - Gekko - Iaijutsu - Hakaze - Shifu - Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha - Meikyo Shisui - Gekko - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu - Kasha - Hagakure - Hakaze - Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu - Gekko - Hakaze - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

Oops, there was a mistake while typing it. Let me correct it right away:

Hakaze - Jinpu - Gekko - Iaijutsu - Hakaze - Shifu - Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha - Meikyo Shisui - Gekko - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu - Kasha - Hagakure - Hakaze - Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu - Gekko - Hakaze - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu

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http://i.imgur.com/z1gtVaE.png

You can find a better one, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

Oops, there was a mistake while typing it. Let me correct it right away:

Hakaze - Jinpu - Gekko - Iaijutsu - Hakaze - Shifu - Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha - Meikyo Shisui - Gekko - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu - Kasha - Hagakure - Hakaze - Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu - Gekko - Hakaze - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu

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Take my statement with a grain of salt, as I am not in any way a theory crafter aside from general conjecture. But the Hagakure placement seems less than ideal, considering you'll only have one Sen at that point.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

http://i.imgur.com/z1gtVaE.png

You can find a better one, for sure.

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Post a better one then?

Edit: And time is not 44.64, it is 42.66 so your timer is off.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

Take my statement with a grain of salt, as I am not in any way a theory crafter aside from general conjecture. But the Hagakure placement seems less than ideal, considering you'll only have one Sen at that point.

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Yes, you are right. I said that myself in my post that this is not the most optimal version of the rotation (yet still better than anything else), but it will be something alone the lines. I will try to optimize Meikyo Shisui and Hagakure a bit more now that I know the most efficient way to start opener.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Updated Opener with PoT:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...psffhpznlq.jpg

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Probound awesome job dude, but I see you added in the enbi, but not the fourth shinten, it belongs 2 globals after Hakaze, and Jinpu, right before the last Gekko.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

Yes, you are right. I said that myself in my post that this is not the most optimal version of the rotation (yet still better than anything else), but it will be something alone the lines. I will try to optimize Meikyo Shisui and Hagakure a bit more now that I know the most efficient way to start opener.

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Cool. Thanks for putting in the effort.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

Post a better one then?

Edit: And time is not 44.64, it is 42.66 so your timer is off.

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My time is perfectly fine dude.

GCD:2.4
GCD after Shifu: 2.16

Hakaze (2.4) - Jinpu (2.4) - Gekko (2.4)- Iaijutsu (2.4)- Hakaze (2.4)- Shifu (2.4)- Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha (2.16)- Meikyo Shisui - Gekko (2.16)- Yukikaze (2.16)- Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu (2.16)- Kasha (2.16)- Hagakure - Hakaze (2.16)- Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu (2.16)- Gekko (2.16)- Hakaze (2.16)- Yukikaze (2.16)- Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze (2.16)- Shifu (2.16)- Kasha (2.16)- Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu(2.16)

2.4 * 6 + 2.16 * 14 = 44.64
http://i.imgur.com/txkT374.png

But im sorry if i offend you, it wasn't my intention. I wont waste more time on this forum, people barely know how to sum two integers...