Compensation for the early Sub fee

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Originally Posted by Fouluryu

Dear OP, here's why I like your post,

You're opening a discussion that's pretty much on everyone's minds. While we want to stay but we don't way to pay at rate that's questionable that's bending the rules of the reality of business and the morality of game production. I can't help but notice people can't seem to bite their tongues when ever there's a heated argument. It reminds of the controversial issue where I read an article a group of people that made threats against those whether global warming was to be blamed for the environment.

This is just a typical example where people just need to agree and disagree. It's just one big mess then leads to rudeness or sarcasm even. I envy the devs for the fact they have to put up with this sort of trend lately, and surprised they haven't closed the lodestone forum just yet.

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Please speak for yourself. I am more than happy to start paying and showing my support to SE.

And really? Bending the rules of the reality of business? *eye twitches*

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Originally Posted by Liniont

[...] a hidden camera [...] which showcased the game and the activities within.

I propose something similar but within the developer’s office, [...] just work like you have been day by day and forget the camera’s are there. Set up live 24/7 webcam feeds behind key members of the developing team including over Yoshi-p’s desk and all meetings with adequate audio and video.

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Dude, that's creepy o,o'
And I'm sure it's violating many, many human rights, even ignoring the fact that it could hurt SE a lot to show other companies what they are working on..
I wouldn't want this.
A bit of information every few days/weeks, pictures and videos of 2.0 is more than enough.
If people really want to be compensated - well, we get a whole exclusive story line, only for us!
If that is still not enough, give them some nice items or something, but don't request creepy stuff like that:(

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Dude, that's creepy o,o'
And I'm sure it's violating many, many human rights, even ignoring the fact that it could hurt SE a lot to show other companies what they are working on..

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Yeah I already brought this up, it actually violates certain laws within Japan above all. Though honestly, Square gave the most compensation that any company has with MMOs, they gave over a years worth of free playtime -- most companies sell off their MMO or shut the MMO down if it didn't meet expectations.

.......No.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Yeah I already brought this up, it actually violates certain laws within Japan above all. Though honestly, Square gave the most compensation that any company has with MMOs, they gave over a years worth of free playtime -- most companies sell off their MMO or shut the MMO down if it didn't meet expectations.

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Most of companies aren't releasing a 14th instalment in a game series that's several decades old that's also why :p Shutting down XIV straight is just... not possible. But I do agree that over a year of free playtime is already very nice.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Most of companies aren't releasing a 14th instalment in a game series that's several decades old that's also why :p Shutting down XIV straight is just... not possible. But I do agree that over a year of free playtime is already very nice.

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Not true. They could pull the plug at any time. Shareholders will not go unheard if CEOs and the like wish to keep their jobs. They probably won't because SE wants to recover from a very embarrassing launch and prove the fruits of their labor worth doing, but that doesn't mean it is impossible. It could still happen.

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Originally Posted by Liniont

Sense of entitlement? Really so spending $75 and now an addition of the subscription fee before a complete product and we the customer have no right to be entitled for sticking by a product we believe in while others leave and let it die? Tell me something when you pay for a meal at a restaurant are you not entitled to a completely cooked and edible meal? When you purchase a tool from lowes or home depot are you not entitled the guaranty that it will be reliable and function properly? The fact of the matter is I put my hard earned money in to a game and feel entitled to what the product guaranties not a half finish product.

I digress I already said I'm staying for the long haul and I never said those items have to be game changing or ridiculous I would be happy with a title or something just so that people know we were the few who stuck by when no one else would because we believed in the work of the dev team.

Also the content they are creating for v2.0 I can argue should have been in the game at release not 2 or 3 years after the fact.

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If you feel the game isn't good enough to pay then stop playing. I don't understand why if you are having fun why you think you shouldn't pay full price.

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Originally Posted by Liniont

Compensation for the early Sub fee

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You mean for the late sub fee. You have had over a year free. Now its time to pony up. Its just that simple.

If you feel the game isn't good enough to pay then stop playing.

Everyone is just being cheap, and want to play for free. The last free your has them addicted to fre play. Then there are thoe who claim the game is broken, no fun, or not worth paying for. Anyone who says that is defining there own character. Anyone with a lick of sense would't waste there time with a brokern game, while having no fun, even for free.

SO either play and pay, or don't pay, but remember, everyone hates a whiner, and everyone hates a crybaby, so stay or go..........just remember......stay or go are the only to options........not.........stay, or go, or stay and bitch or go and bitch.

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Originally Posted by lynex

If you feel the game isn't good enough to pay then stop playing. I don't understand why if you are having fun why you think you shouldn't pay full price.

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because people want it to stay free

if given a choice between free and paying for something, people will always go with the free option

it isnt about quality, quanitity or anything else, its about personal greed and selfishness

hell even id rather go free then paid, but you know what, i live in reality and know these games are supposed to be paid games

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Not true. They could pull the plug at any time. Shareholders will not go unheard if CEOs and the like wish to keep their jobs. They probably won't because SE wants to recover from a very embarrassing launch and prove the fruits of their labor worth doing, but that doesn't mean it is impossible. It could still happen.

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Off course if you take it this way, they could, just like Blizzard could close WoW tomorrow if they wanted to. That's not the point here, off course we all know that any company can shut down any product when they want. The fact that XIV is a part of the main FF series kinda forced SE to fight in order to try and improve the game. They aren't doing it just for the small XIV fanbase to be happy, but for their overall image, and for all non XIV players but fans of the FF franchise. SE just couldn't let a "numbered title" in the series just vanish like that. It would be a shame for SE and to the whole FF franchise. (we all heard Wada already)

If XIV was made by a smaller company, wasn't a "14th" but a #1, I hardly doubt it would still be living as of now. The company wouldn't care. When you start a brand new project that's not a part of the series, if your whole concept fail, you just give up and move on to something else.

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if given a choice between free and paying for something, people will always go with the free option

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Not true at all, for most of people maybe, but not everyone. We have seen that a lot with artists releasing their work (could it be music, or books/comics) for free and leaving the consumer the choice to give a little something (sometime a lot), or just get the stuff for free.

Surprisingly enough, lot of people are willing to pay if they enjoy the product they got. The same goes for donations when it comes to freeware, lot of users are will to help the authors.

Off course that's far from being the majority, we all agree on that :p