Please Add no bonus option for PF

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

No need to add coding to the game that checks a character's data to see if they have a clear for a fight and then factors that into whether or not they can join a PF group which requires that they have the clear.

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There's already code that checks whether or not you've already cleared a fight and if you haven't it pops up a bonus message.

All this would require is a modification to PF so that it's able to access that information.

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It seems that the easier solution would be to have achievements for clears and then the ability for that information to be available on a character's Lodestone profile.

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That information is available on Lodestone profiles, but not every fight has an achievement.

Not to mention, Lodestone profiles are hidden by default.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

There's already code that checks whether or not you've already cleared a fight and if you haven't it pops up a bonus message.

All this would require is a modification to PF so that it's able to access that information.



That information is available on Lodestone profiles, but not every fight has an achievement.

Not to mention, Lodestone profiles are hidden by default.

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Also, who would want to look up everyone's lodestone every time they wanted to farm?

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Also, who would want to look up everyone's lodestone every time they wanted to farm?

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Pretty much, getting 7 people is already bad enough, but having to manually "background check" them? Ugh.

It'd make me even less likely to farm in PF and just stick to my linkshell/FC.

Clearing doesn't really mean a whole lot. As human beings we all want some binary to know if we will be successful with various people, but I think we all know that we aren't going to get one. Why do we still pretend there is one that exists?

It's like relationships. When people agree to go out on a date with another person, we try to pretend we will get along with someone because we have some common interest and then the date goes horribly. Instead of just chalking it up to a bad pairing, we want to blame it on like "well they don't really like this thing we shared in common, THEY LIED!".... No, not really. Some people just don't work well together. Same thing with party finder. Both people could be good at a fight and just work poorly together. That's just life. If people want to actually succeed, they just keep trying to or they find someone else to play with. I feel the worst for people that just jump from group to group constantly wanting some magic instant win. It's kind of like going on 100 first dates and just hoping for a magical prince charming instead of actually getting to know anyone or actually trying.

Obviously some pairings just aren't going to work no matter how much you try. However, on my server at least, there are a few notorious people that try to form party finder groups and will disband after a single wipe and start another one and just repeat this process for hours. Sometimes it goes horribly wrong and that's all you can do, but for some people, that's all they do regardless.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Joining a No bonus group when u havnt cleared is lying yes, joining a farm group who just says Farm/Clear or Farm is not lying as they havnt said No bonus, so why cant they instead of pointing out groups of people who have not cleared it by adding the option no bonus, rather do the same thing but worded differently.

IE Set it to farm group there is a option to set multi runs for loot why cant that check for bonus and not allow. That way a player doesn't instantly feel like they got shunned.

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im finding it hard to take you serious when you play word games with peoples pf descriptions. farm group typically have all people who have cleared and can reliably kill said thing multiple times, hence, farm group. all you are doing is trying to justify lying by saying its not lying because someone didnt put "no bonus", but they had farm party as the pf.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Clearing doesn't really mean a whole lot. As human beings we all want some binary to know if we will be successful with various people, but I think we all know that we aren't going to get one. Why do we still pretend there is one that exists?

It's like relationships. When people agree to go out on a date with another person, we try to pretend we will get along with someone because we have some common interest and then the date goes horribly. Instead of just chalking it up to a bad pairing, we want to blame it on like "well they don't really like this thing we shared in common, THEY LIED!".... No, not really. Some people just don't work well together. Same thing with party finder. Both people could be good at a fight and just work poorly together. That's just life. If people want to actually succeed, they just keep trying to or they find someone else to play with. I feel the worst for people that just jump from group to group constantly wanting some magic instant win. It's kind of like going on 100 first dates and just hoping for a magical prince charming instead of actually getting to know anyone or actually trying.

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Maybe its just because Im tired, or maybe its the way you worded it, but none of what you said actually made sense to me at all.

I should work on getting to know people im farming with? Why?

My suggestion to you is to use a static party to clear content and challenge content.

This is the main Reason I don't use PF for any content but clear new or challenging content but do it with FC/LS members.

One FC member is part of World clear groups.
They turn around and normally Train the rest of us to clear content.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Maybe its just because Im tired, or maybe its the way you worded it, but none of what you said actually made sense to me at all.

I should work on getting to know people im farming with? Why?

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Not really just like, some people are going to work well, some are not. I just mean, it's about trying to figure out which is which. Figuring that out requires like some small bit of watching who is doing what. If you have to kick someone from a group, kick them. Maybe people find it easier to just disband rather than kick people from a failing party finder group. I just think it's kind of a waste of time to completely start over when something can be salvaged. I see leaders just purge groups and start over and over for hours in party finder... It's always like that one name looking for members for hours, with harsher and harsher messages in the comment field as the night wears on so i suppose they aren't getting anywhere.

Also, if you are going to farm something for a few hours with some random people, does it hurt to have some communication going on or getting to know them? Most of the good farm groups in party finder I've been in lasted a while.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Not really just like, .

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On the disband rather than kick point, I've been in some farms where the leader quote "felt uncomfortable kicking just the one/two failing people and decided to just abandon it" so that may explain some of the disbands.

On another note, a lot of the PF asking for clears do so in order to avoid "having to watch who is doing what" as lets face it, more people with clears know what they are doing than those without. Im sure some take this to the extreme and ask for all sort of things but I feel asking just for a clear is not too much to ask for.

Sure if you don't have the clear yet you could send a tell to the leader explaining your situation but the amount of people without a clear and something on farm status is incredibly slim to almost none.

Imagine you make a PF looking for a melee job and someone joins on MNK, but switches to MCH without saying anything. You would be disappointed to find you entered the raid one melee shy. You might also be a little upset with the guy who deceived you.

Well, let's suppose you put in the PF comment "no bonus message, please" and you enter the raid with a bonus message in your face. You would be disappointed, and perhaps a little upset that one or more people deceived you--or can't read at least.

PF leader sets the conditions for the party. If you want the conditions to change, just ask the leader. You have nothing to gain by very obviously tricking the party; you will instantly sour everyone's first impression of you and risk getting your butt kicked out of future parties on sight.

I don't know how the forums made this so complicated.