Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

Finally a point to get Fending accesories \o/

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

Wow like a hungry shark. Nah not really. I shouldn't have to.

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Ok, in that case Im gonna just say players named Seraph Morningstar are bad then. After all clearly thats all someone needs to do for something to be fact.

I'm going to miss feeling like a "man-mode" str tank though. Now I get to feel like the immovable object. Rawr.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Ok, in that case Im gonna just say players named Seraph Morningstar are bad then. After all clearly thats all someone needs to do for something to be fact.

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Because tanks are supposed to be tanking not DPSing and to use STR gear instead of VIT gear is gimping their HP on purpose and being rude to other players they queue with and making it harder for healers to keep them alive because their HP pools are smaller then the dps. At that point might as well just get rid of the tank and add a third real dps.

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Originally Posted by karateorangutang

While this is indeed true, i always let the VIT tank MT.... because whats the point of me tanking when his DPS would be abysmal anyway. However, when I'm sitting there using only SP and SE on my DPS rotation and VIT PLD is sitting on the mob spamming only RoH cause hes so afraid of losing hate, then that is the ultimate facepalm. Not doing your own DPS rotation because your afraid of not being useful is completely silly and I see it almost every single time I'm in that godforsaken Void Ark.

Maybe you don't do this, but I see it an awful lot, and sadly it's primarily PLD's that I see doing it. It makes me sad because I mained PLD for a long time before 3.0 when I was requested to switch. Playing defensively and outputting DPS are not mutually exclusive situations in FFXIV.

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I think having a raid-wide threat meter (rather than just party-wide, or at least one that shows the top 8 threat generators) would go a long way in alleviating the problem you're describing. It is difficult to tell what game the other tanks are playing on any given run, and I'm sure nearly every tank that has stepped into Void Ark (or any other 24 man raid) has found themselves wondering "what are the odds that all the other tanks here aren't going to be #$%hats?" before the petri-dish walls vanished.

It will be nice to feel like a tank again and not some wannabe dps. Was str the meta, without a doubt. Did I comply to maximize my dps, yes. Did I agree with it, resounding no. Goodbye Str tanking, you will not be missed by me.

~Signed~
Traditional Tank

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Look at it from the playerbase perspective: The large majority of their interaction with STR tanks where shepple that had no clue what they where doing, went STR, and did worse than a VIT specced tank would. A bad VIT tank might lose hate, but a bad STR tank was a true nightmare: It costed healer DPS and it died easier, and most of the time the damage added wouldn't offset the lost from healers.

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Except no one is going "Boo all those tanks that stacked STR and couldnt handle it!", theyre going "BOO STR tanks" with no clarification.

For everyone saying that everything changes tomorrow, the main thing that is staying the same is the overall mindset.

People who go "STR tanks are BS\Good riddance!" think the tank's job is to stand there, build a suitable level of aggro, and stay alive.
People who pushed themselves for STR in pre 3-2 thought the tank's job was to be a dynamic member of the raid, build and maintain huge aggro and quick snap aggro, contribute strongly to a group's DPS to push mechanics\make DPS checks easier, AND had to be more in control of their CD rotation than a turtle tank.

Also, I love how we go "BUT THE HEALLLERRZZ??!!111" - what about the DPS? Wouldn't you prefer a skilled tank pushing damage as high as they could rather than someone who COULD do more but chooses to give 75% the effort of the rest of the raid?

Doesn't matter though. I'm sure whoever comments next had one time that one guy totally screwed up, gaiz, like srsly, so STR tanks are 100% terrible in all situations. There's no denying it took more confidence, skill and ability than being a VIT tank with a happy finger for CDs did, sure - and there's no denying that good tanks who stacked STR were ALWAYS better than good tanks who stacked VIT.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

It will be nice to feel like a tank again and not some wannabe dps. Was str the meta, without a doubt. Did I comply to maximize my dps, yes. Did I agree with it, resounding no. Goodbye Str tanking, you will not be missed by me.

~Signed~
Traditional Tank

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STR tanking going away doesn't mean maximizing DPS goes away. Think this is probably a common misconception filling this thread, that the STR meta being gone means that DPS tanking is gone as well and that we need to fondly look back on it.

Str tank, Vit tank, idk. Do your job, do it right.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

Because tanks are supposed to be tanking not DPSing and to use STR gear instead of VIT gear is gimping their HP on purpose and being rude to other players they queue with and making it harder for healers to keep them alive because their HP pools are smaller then the dps.

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Funny you should say that as when talking about un-equipping your job stone you told me this.

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

why bother kicking them for playing on a class in the first place? Because you want to take a chance at getting someone who might be more efficient at their role? This is why I defend "lazy" play and "gimping" yourself. Because if they are actually contributing something to the party you have no one but yourself to blame when the run goes slower because your attitude towards them is bad or you kick them for their choice of playstyle. Can't wait till people follow your train of logic further down the tracks and start vote kicking people who's gear simply doesn't meet their standards.

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So for Job stones its ok to gimp yourself, but for gear its not?

You also claimed that people would start vote kicking people due to gear not meeting standards..but here you are calling every strength tank bad...?

Then theres also this gem on people complaining about people gimping themselves....

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph

Also to all these arguments saying it's rude and selfish etc. for people to gimp themselves like this, I just wanna say you come off at least equally as selfish in your complaints. It's always they are slowing down MY run, wasting MY time, ruining MY experience. It's MY sub and I shouldn't have to play with these bad players. So much Me Me Me

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