Novus Meld Failure - Remove Please

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Oh....I guess I should stop now then :/ hmmm what to do with 75 alexandrite. well damn.....

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If a lost Class III for ~20K is a financial problem for you, waiting for a fix to the crappy RNG / abandoning Novus might save your sanity. :D

I don't know why people don't just round out their weapons with all the stats they use. You can replace armor pieces to get those "best" secondary stats you wanted without spending millions of gil.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

If a lost Class III for ~20K is a financial problem for you, waiting for a fix to the crappy RNG / abandoning Novus might save your sanity. :D

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meh the spread I'm using will only cost me a couple hundred thousand. So my sanity isn't really in jeopardy. All the same losing a tier III will still be a bummer and set me back some time.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Statistical impossibility should not be considered too much when making a system like this. Yes, extreme bad luck may happen to a few persons and they may cancel their subscription because of it. The thing is that making the Novus much easier to obtain will mean that people will finish it much faster and if the history of MMO as taught anything, it's that if a player doesn't have a carrot at the end of the stick, they stop playing. So financially speaking, it is better for Square Enix to tie their systems to a RNG (a reasonable one obviously and not that it never happened but I have yet to hear people quitting over the Novus phase of the relic so I think it is reliable to a degree).

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You can implement a maximum failure limit without just handing the item out. 16 fails for a single slot seems unnecessarily punitive. Even 10 is excessive.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

You can implement a maximum failure limit without just handing the item out. 16 fails for a single slot seems unnecessarily punitive. Even 10 is excessive.

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Honestly, they should just make Tier IV materias easier to acquire. The RNG for Novus isn't to blame really. I'm sure a lot less people would have a lot less issue with the current Novus system if Tier IV materias could be obtain more reliably seeing as it is quite time consuming even getting the one you want.

The failure is fine, it is the materia market that needs to be balanced. It is too difficult to get teir IV materia, and the drive to have IVs of Det is universal. We either need an easier time making Det IVs or be allowed to change our relic stats in the Nexus phase with a Animus-like book quest (not requiring materia).

The later is an idea I've been playing with; If we could change our relic stats in the Nexus phase with a Animus-like book quest (not requiring materia) we could make the Novus with whatever is cheap, spend the time it takes to make the Nexus, then do a book grind of FATES, Dungeons, Mobs, etc., to put on a +1 to a specific stat (having then to decide which stat to nerf by -1). This would curb demand on the market as well as maintain it at appropriate levels. Doing 31 books to get max Det is not appetizing to anyone, but if you can't afford the materia, you can spend the several months or weeks getting the Nexus and doing book quests.

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Originally Posted by Makado

I don't know why people don't just round out their weapons with all the stats they use. You can replace armor pieces to get those "best" secondary stats you wanted without spending millions of gil.

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Switching around gear isn't going to give you the det you'd have maxing out det on your novus. It's a special case where because making 1 det cost 1.5 alexandrite worth just wouldn't have worked you have the possibility of getting more out of it because of the 1/1 ratio.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

I'm not trying to value Novus.

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You just did, you said 10million+.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

Besides all that, people will always assign some kind of 'value' to anything they do or try to obtain. In many respects it's how we decide to do something. Things like trying to decide if something is fun enough, or provides enough character advancement, or time efficient enough is still assigning a value to something. It does have to be currency based for it to be of value.

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Anything that's considered a value then, is it weighted in gil? Like Odin's sword for example? No, because it can not be bought, sold, or exchanged. While materia and other mats can, the prices fluctuate which goes back to what I said, an item will only hold as much value as the player trying to obtain it will put into it. And while it can have the sentimental value, pretty much reiterating my previous point, you put a currency value on. Which is fair enough as long as the understanding for players whom do put on this value that this value is what it is worth to them and means little to nothing to any other player which is why most complain threads about relic costs are so flawed in their argument because they try to say it costs to much in terms of gil.

It's kinda too late now, would be unfair to those of us who have already botched soo many materias. After paying almost 2 mil in materia and lost half of it I decided to go a cheaper route cause it wasn't worth it.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

I would be fine with the current system if they implemented a proper spiritbond system, something that doesn't require people gimping a party with low level gear or in most cases, crafter/gatherer gear in a dungeon.

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And why would I want gatherer/crafter gear to Spirit Bound for my Novus?