FFXIV on Nintendo WII U

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Originally Posted by Quanta

In other words--to use an analogy--instead of writing the essay themselves, they Googled the subject, downloaded whatever looked good, and then changed a few words around. Because that's going to show people what a great writer they are!

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That's not an analogy at all. We are talking about making comparisons, demonstrating the performance of a system.

You're analogy only entails that the footage would be stolen copyright and Nintendo claimed as theirs. Which is.. absolutely false. Please read the link and stop arguing.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

That's not an analogy at all. We are talking about making comparisons, demonstrating the performance of a system.

You're analogy only entails that the footage would be stolen copyright and Nintendo claimed as theirs. Which is.. absolutely false. Please read the link and stop arguing.

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I read the link. What they said was that they took footage from the other two systems and tried to pass it off as a demonstration of what their system is capable of; where this fails is that it doesn't demonstrate anything other than their hopes and dreams of what those games will look like on their system. An actual demonstration would have used real footage from the actual system, because that's what a demonstration actually is. In other words, at least part of the visuals they showed the Wii U of being capable of exist only in the realm of fantasy at this given time. Whether that will remain true going forward remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

All you've proved is that your definition of incentive to reply the game is not what hardcore games is. I don't even know why we are having this discussion as i think 100% of hardcore gamers and 99% of pple on this forum know what is a game aimed for the hardcore and what is not. Ninja Gaiden 3 is for the hardcore and i don't think you will find anyone else besides you disagreeing with that statement.

You claim WII U has no hardcore gamersor supposed hardcore games but 80% of the games they showed are hardcore games.


And you're right, hardcore gamers tend to stay away from the WII, that's why Nintendo made the "WII U" which is aimed at satisfying them as much as the casuals and with a line up like darksiders II, tekken, Assassin's creed and Ninja Gaiden 3, i think they are going in the right direction.

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LOL Ok...

One) It's not my definition of anything. I looked up what YOU claimed a 'official definition' of what a 'hardcore game' was and I found no such 'official' definition. So please, link me to where you found your 'official' definition to prove that it is, in fact, the official definition if you're correct.

Two) I also said that there are games that are known as 'hardcore' games, but they didn't start as hardcore games. They started as games, that gamers and company's developed into what people now call a hardcore game. Even then they got that term because it started with the opinion of players and the game makers of what makes a hardcore game and developing from that. So opinion matters, something you might not consider a hardcore game, if it gets the right audience can become a hardcore game so a hardcore game depends on the audience and gamers that appreciate and attach to it.

Three) No place in my post at ALL did I say anything about the Wii U and if it has hardcore games so don't put words in my mouth to try and prove your point. I only mentioned that a site said that hardcore gamers tend to stay away from the Wii, and the Wii is NOT the Wii U, thank you.

So as I said, all things start with an opinion. My opinion, I don't think at this time the Wii U can support FFXIV but I also don't know the full specs and seeing that it is a year until the release of the system they could change the specs of said system. So my opinion is lets focus on getting the PC version working, since this Wii U system is a year away. Lets worry about if they can put FFXIV on the Wii U after we get the PC version fixed and the PS3 players (who have been waiting a long time) can actually play.

Edit: I must say I agree with this:

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Part of the problem with using “hardcore” as an adjective for a game is that a lot of people play apparently simple games in what we would see as a “hardcore” way (Hardcore Rock Band players, as an example) and others will play a complicated game – and enjoy it – on easy settings and never really grok everything that is going on around them. From where I sit, hardcore is an adjective best applied to players – not games.

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Originally Posted by Quanta

I read the link. What they said was that they took footage from the other two systems and tried to pass it off as a demonstration of what their system is capable of; where this fails is that it doesn't demonstrate anything other than their hopes and dreams of what those games will look like on their system. An actual demonstration would have used real footage from the actual system, because that's what a demonstration actually is. In other words, at least part of the visuals they showed the Wii U of being capable of exist only in the realm of fantasy at this given time. Whether that will remain true going forward remains to be seen.

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Why is it their hopes and dreams? You think they have no idea what the system they designed themselves from scratch is capable of?

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

LOL Ok...

One) It's not my definition of anything. I looked up what YOU claimed a 'official definition' of what a 'hardcore game' was and I found no such 'official' definition. So please, link me to where you found your 'official' definition to prove that it is, in fact, the official definition if you're correct.






Two) I also said that there are games that are known as 'hardcore' games, but they didn't start as hardcore games. They started as games, that gamers and company's developed into what people now call a hardcore game. Even then they got that term because it started with the opinion of players and the game makers of what makes a hardcore game and developing from that. So opinion matters, something you might not consider a hardcore game, if it gets the right audience can become a hardcore game so a hardcore game depends on the audience and gamers that appreciate and attach to it.

Three) No place in my post at ALL did I say anything about the Wii U and if it has hardcore games so don't put words in my mouth to try and prove your point. I only mentioned that a site said that hardcore gamers tend to stay away from the Wii, and the Wii is NOT the Wii U, thank you.

So as I said, all things start with an opinion. My opinion, I don't think at this time the Wii U can support FFXIV but I also don't know the full specs and seeing that it is a year until the release of the system they could change the specs of said system. So my opinion is lets focus on getting the PC version working, since this Wii U system is a year away. Lets worry about if they can put FFXIV on the Wii U after we get the PC version fixed and the PS3 players (who have been waiting a long time) can actually play.

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Processors:

IBM Power-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor "3 core Cpu"
GPU: Custom-designed AMD Radeon HD GPU "Note:should be an ATI from the R700 family"
with a shader unit at version 4.1. RAM should be at least 512 MB.
It also have a blue ray and can play 1080p

Now i don't know jack about console only computer seeing as am a computer repair.

Note i post this to show you the specs to see if you think this could run FFXIV who knows maybe it can more then the ps3 but maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Quanta

I read the link. What they said was that they took footage from the other two systems and tried to pass it off as a demonstration of what their system is capable of; where this fails is that it doesn't demonstrate anything other than their hopes and dreams of what those games will look like on their system. An actual demonstration would have used real footage from the actual system, because that's what a demonstration actually is. In other words, at least part of the visuals they showed the Wii U of being capable of exist only in the realm of fantasy at this given time. Whether that will remain true going forward remains to be seen.

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A demonstration can be the use of anything that shows what the system is capable of, it isn't locked down to where they get the demo from.

Also, if that is only their hopes and dreams, they wouldn't have used that footage. That'd be false advertising, and you'd have to be a dipshit if you think any major video game company thinks that is okay.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Why is it their hopes and dreams? You think they have no idea what the system they designed themselves from scratch is capable of?

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No, I think they have no idea how to host an actual demonstration. See, in order to properly demonstrate that your system is capable of the visuals you claim it to be capable of, you have to actually use your system to generate those effects. I don't demonstrate my martial arts skills by having a friend show off his moves and then saying "Yeah, I can do that too."

Disclaimer: I can totally do anything Chuck Norris can do.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Processors:

IBM Power-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor "3 core Cpu"
GPU: Custom-designed AMD Radeon HD GPU "Note:should be an ATI from the R700 family"
with a shader unit at version 4.1. RAM should be at least 512 MB.
It also have a blue ray and can play 1080p

Now i don't know jack about console only computer seeing as am a computer repair.

Note i post this to show you the specs to see if you think this could run FFXIV who knows maybe it can more then the ps3 but maybe not.

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I agree with you, consoles are a whole different beast... and even though these are stated specs at this time, they have changed specs before release on consoles before. Look at Vita, they stated specs for it and then changed them. So that is why I said at this time I don't think it could, but it's also a year away so it is an unknown factor.

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

I'm a little confused from the conference. They only showed off the controller(is that right?) They didn't show the system, or is the system the actual controller?

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The system in under the TV screen lol it may have the graphics but it well not have the process to handler it

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Originally Posted by Quanta

No, I think they have no idea how to host an actual demonstration. See, in order to properly demonstrate that your system is capable of the visuals you claim it to be capable of, you have to actually use your system to generate those effects. I don't demonstrate my martial arts skills by having a friend show off his moves and then saying "Yeah, I can do that too."

Disclaimer: I can totally do anything Chuck Norris can do.

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Oh, they did show off their martial arts skills, but what they were doing is demonstrating how their games will look "a year from release."

Did you read that part? or did you actually not read anything. I just cant comprehend how you are pitting an argument over something that was already explained in the article.