Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

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Originally Posted by Alcyon_Densetsu

So I found this post in another thread:


How should I interpret this relatively to the issue at hand in this thread? Does it mean the "300ms check" isn't confirmed as an actual issue? It certainly isn't a "bug", since it's technically a design choice; but with the lack of response from SE, I'm now not even sure they're considering this issue as game-breaking, nor even as a serious one.

Really, some kind of clarification on this "design choice" would be appreciated. If it's built in your online engine SE, and there's just no way you can change that, please tell us — so that those of us who value a fast and responsive online experience can move to another MMORPG who has a chance of providing such a service.

People will get tired of waiting, and your lack of honesty on this topic isn't helping their staying anyway. At least be frank and blunt about this issue, so that players can make a choice for themselves based on honest information about this game's design, and likely (or unlikely) future improvements regarding the network implementation.

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I just want a damn answer on whether the 300ms position check will be fixed or if it is WAI and is going to stay as is.

I would like to know so I can a move on and stop wasting my time posting here and put a big X on SE or if I should keep checking in so when they do get around to fixing this I can sub to the game.

Mr Yoshi needs to stop patting himself on the back for that promotion and put his "big boy" pants on and answer us already.

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Originally Posted by Namko

This me moving out of WotL at 99%

http://youtu.be/s9xs-nH46Mk

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Thanks for posting that video, it helps to see it from someone who is not having the problems. Could you make another video please, I want to see what happens with autofollow.

1. Get someone/friend to target you and /follow
2. Start Fraps and swing your camera view around so you can see them
3. Now start running forward
4. After about five seconds stop and wait for them to catch up to you and stop
5. Stop Fraps

If we can get videos of this from people who are not having problems dodging AoE's then maybe we can see a difference in /follow - which uses the positional updates.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Daily bump.

I'm still really curious why the client can't trace positional/movement/action data and mark it with a time stamp so that the server can back trace and sync to provide a more precise gameplay experience?

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this seems computationaly unfeasable to me but i could be wrong, however if you reversed it, server sends timestamp of when things are going to happen on the server this could work. couple that with the client sending a pos update immediately upon leaving a danger area and you would have a pretty responsive experience, internal server lag and race conditions not withstanding, its not really that hard to fix

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Originally Posted by Asmodeus

I just want a damn answer on whether the 300ms position check will be fixed or if it is WAI intended and is going to stay as is.

I would like to know so I can a move on and stop wasting my time posting here and put a big X on SE or if I should keep checking in so when they do get around to fixing this I can sub to the game.

Mr Yoshi needs to stop patting himself on the back for that promotion and put his "big boy" pants on and answer us already.

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i think them changing it from 500 to 300 shows that they know whats going on and are working towards fixing it, would be nice to have an update on this though, should be their top priority after server stability, exploiters etc etc

Nearly 100k views, 1160 replies, and no dev response.

Customer service, at its best.

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Originally Posted by GilbertLapine

Nearly 100k views, 1160 replies, and no dev response.

Customer service, at its best.

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please don't bring up customer service. its near on non-existent for the issues they do address anything not getting attention can spend eternity waiting to be dealt with otherwise.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

EDIT: Thanks also to the person who added this link to the discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI

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PEBCAK:

http://i.imgur.com/rZ8CBZv.png

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EDIT: Another edit for the person who added this link. It's not Titan, but it shows how frustrating the AoE dodging in this game can be.
http://youtu.be/6vxn2Q2pv3o

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More PEBCAK:

http://i.imgur.com/jUCfubl.png

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Originally Posted by Magus42

*snip*

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It's already been noted in this thread that those are not the best examples precisely for the reason you just highlighted. Other examples that show the issue have been posted.

I invite you to do the same pause and screencap method for both the videos I clipped from Turn 2 Coil here:

http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084552
http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084630

Even though I hesitated during the first one, it still illustrates the issue just fine if you pause it.

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Originally Posted by Magus42

PEBCAK

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I wish PvP would come out sooner rather than later as that will definitely open the eyes of a lot of the non believers. Such low temporal resolution (~300 ms) in a modern day mmo is totally unacceptable, anyone who has played a Black Mage can see that things are not WAI or at least as advertised by playing around with astral/umbral stacks and that has nothing to do with cast bars or movement.

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Originally Posted by TheRac25

this seems computationaly unfeasable to me but i could be wrong, however if you reversed it, server sends timestamp of when things are going to happen on the server this could work. couple that with the client sending a pos update immediately upon leaving a danger area and you would have a pretty responsive experience, internal server lag and race conditions not withstanding, its not really that hard to fix

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Usually the reason to not have the client doing it is fear of hacking. It is much easier to hack your client than the server. As I pointed out your client lacks the ability to interrupt a spell the moment it detects movement, even though casting while moving is an impossibility. If it lacks authority to do that, you can be sure it won't have the authority to decide if you got hit or even where you are.