Most of the suggestions work exactly like the jump potion, albeit more selectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
My main suggestion was making it possible to entirely cut out patch content, i.e. cutting down the primary gripe that people have about the length (that being 2.1-2.55), this greatly shortens the time it takes to get to both expansion areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
I didn't actually suggest removing gating (except for jobs, but I even admitted that that was unlikely to be possible), what I said was to add new content that was ungated, like PotD. This allows new players to do something current with their friends while enjoying the MSQ (perhaps eureka would work this way? who knows - it is presumably in mor dhona).Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
At best it would be included in the collectors edition I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyraele
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12-20-2016, 02:38 PMLambdafish
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12-20-2016, 02:41 PMImoenThis I can agree on. I know you are for potions, and I am personally not, but I most definitely agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
I just hope they take other actions beyond this, because this doesn't really solve it, at least not by itself. As I've said before most the people I know that have quit, have quit not because they don't care about story, but because of all the boring fetch quests in it, the second most reason is not being happy with endgame, third fates. Granted I've only known like 25 people or so (not an exact number) to quit so Its not like a huge number, but that's just the ones from ARR and beyond.
I also really wish if they are going to say it's "to help new players", they would give one out for free as an optional thing with game purchase or something... Just don't let them use till after the trial is over, or have it delivered when the trial is over, maybe a promotional deal, first veteran reward for first month of subscription reward?
I don't know I'm just throwing out ideas. Save the pay stuff for already active accounts, I don't know if this is to mitigate RMT or what. Either way it doesn't change my opinion on the business model/practice w/e you want to call it, but this would make it less lame sounding.
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12-20-2016, 02:41 PMDrStilesMore or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyraele
The jump potions are coming. That's not up for debate. SE has made it very clear that their intention is to introduce them. Personally, I do not want them. I don't think level boosts should exist in any form, and I would much rather SE actually fix the problems with the MSQ than add a skip button. But that's just my personal opinion. At the end of the day, my preferences don't outweigh the game's or community's needs. And I would rather have more populated servers so that the game doesn't fall into steady decline. If jump potions are the only way SE is willing to address it, then I suppose I will be willing to make that concession. -
12-20-2016, 02:42 PMDrStiles
But don't mistake me. If the MSQ continues along in a sequential fashion, as it has so far, it will become increasingly difficult for new players to join the game without these potions. Anyone with even a fraction of foresight can see that. SE needs to understand that they will make more money in the long term by keeping players subscribed. By offering a story skip potion for free, new players won't feel they're being charged "extra" just to start, relative to other MMOs, and those players will be much more likely to try the game and ultimately subscribe to it. which is more or less the point, isn't it?
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12-20-2016, 03:16 PMZhaneXPersonally, this is part of why I am strongly against the idea of the Jump Potions. They might help increase new players coming into the game, but I worry that they'll make the issue of retention even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
The biggest reason for players dropping the game is that they find the current end-game to be a stale, uninteresting grind. And yeah, it can be. It might be plain ol' paranoia, but my worry is that the implementation of the Jump Potions would result in less effort being put into making more interesting end-game content. Thus the new players who jump to the newest content will do so, do the last bit of grinding to hit cap, and then... nothing. They'll get bored, and quit immediately. To say nothing of the exodus of more long-term players for similar reasons of dissatisfaction.
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12-20-2016, 03:16 PMAverion
I am definitely disappointed to see that character boosts will be a thing in FFXIV, i don't agree at all with allowing people the ability to pay and skip gameplay but unfortunately the modern gamer is very entitled and sees no issue in actually not playing the video game they pay for. This news doesn't make me want to quit but it does send major signals as to where the game is heading.
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12-20-2016, 03:31 PMDrStilesIt is my opinion that many people who play this game don't necessarily do so based purely upon the quality of the endgame. By the time most people reach the endgame, they've made friends along the way, likely joined an FC, and developed an interest in the game's lore and story to the point that they feel invested in the game before they really get into raiding. Remove all of that and, well, the overall experience is far more shallow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZhaneX
I tend to take breaks between patches during content droughts and I go play other games, including other MMOs. But there's a reason I keep coming back to the game each patch, and it isn't because Alexander is the best raiding experience I've had. I can't say that about other MMOs. -
12-20-2016, 05:21 PMFrownyWith my own experience, I respectfully disagree. When patches drop, I bum-rush the story and basically skim over it. Guess it is a habit from when 2.3 was when I snapped and stopped caring. After 2hrs I'm done with story and I'm back working on tomes/leveling other classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrStiles
End-game is a big factor, but the MSQ is a major issue in itself. Sadly, without diverting resources it will likely stay that way. Now, if they could trim the MSQ without hurting new content... that'd be nice. But unless they can dabble in that without harming the future, this is the best we have. -
12-20-2016, 05:30 PMBourne_EndeavorThat patience won't be cheap. If they were to announce Stormblood would be delayed until fall of next year, I'd unsub. Why? Because that would mean at least nine months where the only bit of content we receive is 3.5 and 3.55. I'm not going to pay Square Enix for essentially nothing. Considering the vocal outcry people have towards the five month delay of 3.1, I sincerely doubt many would prefer an even longer one. These kinds of changes do not take "a couple weeks."Quote:
Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder
Because there remains a cost. The delay likely occurs because you're suggesting they do something entirely different than what has been scheduled. Regardless, they still only have a $36 million budget. This accounts for everything. If a sizable portion of their time and resources are dedicated to adjustments towards ARR and HW, we'll inevitably lose new content. That's just how it works. We cannot nor will we get everything, which is what you're demanding. Add insult to injury, unless there was some way to speed through the story, all these adjustments would accomplish nothing as some people just are not interested in grinding through two expansions worth of old content when they want to play with friends or be apart of the crowd. People have to accept not everyone cares about the story and as a business, Square can't afford to simply tell them "too bad." Not if they intend to profit long term from FFXIV.
Actually, I suspect it will be released with Stormblood similar to the free Fantasia we got with Heavensward. It doesn't make sense to release it later since the bulk of game sales happen within the first few weeks. If Square Enix aims to take advantage of attracting new players with a promise they can progress at their leisure-- no old content required. They won't delay implementing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder
To answer your question. Yes, I'll remain indifferent towards it all. It doesn't affect mean how someone else chooses to enjoy the game. In fact, a friend wants to try for a house come Stormblood. As the devs have mentioned housing is tied to the story, we plan to blow through and skip everything fast on alts. I'll then go back and play through it all properly whenever I feel like it. She, on the other hand, doesn't give a damn about it and has skipped every cut scene since early 2.x. We all have different interests and demands from FFXIV. One of the reason I support a skip potion is because it allows the devs to focus on the story without concern over it becoming too overwhelming or irritating for people who don't care for it. Whether we like it or not, they have to consider these players as they are equally apart of the community and paying customers. -
12-20-2016, 06:15 PMBourne_EndeavorAs mentioned above, I suspect they will give one free with Stormblood. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. They alleviate one wall (MSQ grind) only to erect another (pay $40 extra). Subsequently putting them on the mogstation is to make a little extra on people who must have all 60s. Personally, I find it silly someone would potential spend $100+ dollars to boost jobs they won't even play. In any event, despite our frequent disagreements in this thread, I do actually agree endgame is among the game's biggest issues. The other reason I support a skip potion is it hopefully allows them to focus on more lasting content. They cannot afford to cater towards new players to the extent they have because their retention rate is abysmal. It certainly doesn't help dungeons and trials have gotten easier for the most part. People were patience in ARR because they were coming off the disaster of 1.x. Heavensward saw that patience erode somewhat with the frequent missteps (Gordias, LoV, Diadem to name a few). There won't be any more waiting around if Stormblood doesn't deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imoen