SE: Can we get back skip cutscene in Main Scenarios?

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Personally I am fine with sitting through it. I get anywhere from 15-16 million XP on Prae.

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Same, I have actually had fun conversations with folks during the cutscenes of the MSQ roulette stuff. You can also make some pretty fun games out of it, one was pretending like it's the first time you've seen all this and over exaggerate your reactions. Doing this with a group is fun as heck. There was also that one time a party and I made a small cult revolving around Cid and his insatiable addiction to hot pockets.

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Originally Posted by Aladire

It should be where if the game detects at the start that everyone has set to auto-skip the cut scenes and everyone has already seen it, then it skips. The only reason I would personally hesitate putting this in is because then resentment towards first timers would show up.

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They'd have to remove the exp and tomestone bonus if they allow this. You get more because its a 45 minute minimum due to the cutscenes.

You all alright with getting the same amount as you get for Trials?

Currently in a MSQ roulette Prae run with people defending using the d/c exploit to skip cutscenes... For Fs sake... I and another person have been explaining why the change was made, why this is a problem, etc, and they're still trying to justify it! Incredible...

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

They'd have to remove the exp and tomestone bonus if they allow this. You get more because its a 45 minute minimum due to the cutscenes.

You all alright with getting the same amount as you get for Trials?

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This. Yeah, I know, it's annoying listening to Gaius and Lahabrea drone on for the 500th time. But if you're queuing for msq roulette, that's the price you pay for inflated rewards. If you're going to complain about it, DON'T QUEUE IN. There are other ways to get tomes/exp if you really hate it. Nobody is compelling you to do EVERY roulette.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

This. Yeah, I know, it's annoying listening to Gaius and Lahabrea drone on for the 500th time. But if you're queuing for msq roulette, that's the price you pay for inflated rewards. If you're going to complain about it, DON'T QUEUE IN. There are other ways to get tomes/exp if you really hate it. Nobody is compelling you to do EVERY roulette.

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I think my biggest issue with that is you seriously get to watch cutscenes for exp. There's no challenge to be had. They really need to scale our item level to 55-60 for that like the AF gear we got when we originally did this. In addition close up those skips that serve only to kill off newbies.

They also need to close up the exploit that allows people to skip through the cutscenes. Coming out of the Gaius cutscene to him dead is a bit annoying. And this is by far not a slow connection or computer issue (they don't even make parts better than what I have for under 5 digits in cost).

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

This. Yeah, I know, it's annoying listening to Gaius and Lahabrea drone on for the 500th time. But if you're queuing for msq roulette, that's the price you pay for inflated rewards. If you're going to complain about it, DON'T QUEUE IN. There are other ways to get tomes/exp if you really hate it. Nobody is compelling you to do EVERY roulette.

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But if everyone has already seen the cutscenes and has the skip option checked, isn't there literally no reason for the game to not allow skipping? After all, if there are no first timers, who benefits from the cutscenes? Should the participants be punished for being unlucky enough to be put in a party (by the game, mind you) where no one needs to see the cutscenes but are forced to anyways for the sake of players not even there?

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

But if everyone has already seen the cutscenes and has the skip option checked, isn't there literally no reason for the game to not allow skipping? After all, if there are no first timers, who benefits from the cutscenes? Should the participants be punished for being unlucky enough to be put in a party (by the game, mind you) where no one needs to see the cutscenes but are forced to anyways for the sake of players not even there?

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Then you lose the bonus exp.

You're getting bonus exp because of the time you spend in there. They're not going to give you 15 million experience for less time than a trial. Which is what MSQ is without cutscenes. I wouldn't say no to it. But that's never going to happen.

I fire up netflix and watch some shows and movies anyway, don't have to do much in msq roulettes since its so easy.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Currently in a MSQ roulette Prae run with people defending using the d/c exploit to skip cutscenes... For Fs sake... I and another person have been explaining why the change was made, why this is a problem, etc, and they're still trying to justify it! Incredible...

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Report them if you catch them doing it. It's literally one of the few things SE takes super seriously when it comes to repeat offenses.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

But if everyone has already seen the cutscenes and has the skip option checked, isn't there literally no reason for the game to not allow skipping? After all, if there are no first timers, who benefits from the cutscenes? Should the participants be punished for being unlucky enough to be put in a party (by the game, mind you) where no one needs to see the cutscenes but are forced to anyways for the sake of players not even there?

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And you're fine with the rewards being slashed appropriately, I assume? They increased the payout significantly to match the time invested in running it. Want to skip everything? Miniscule rewards, as deserved. Time invested=higher reward, less time=lower rewards. No, everyone complaining about the length of the dungeons is NOT entitled to huge payouts in exp/tombs. If someone is not willing to set some time aside for a single run, they do not deserve the spoils. Really, what is not clicking here for people? It's mind-numbingly simple.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Report them if you catch them doing it. It's literally one of the few things SE takes super seriously when it comes to repeat offenses.

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Oh I did, immediately afterward. I have a zero tolerance policy for this garbage.

At first I was generally disappointed with the msq non cutscene skip. But after having been given a few recipes (talking about cooking in the dungeon), including all the steps to it, I can't say I wasn't unhappy about the change so far lol. I've managed to get 6 recipes from adventurers in dungeons this year. xD

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Then you lose the bonus exp.

You're getting bonus exp because of the time you spend in there. They're not going to give you 15 million experience for less time than a trial. Which is what MSQ is without cutscenes. I wouldn't say no to it. But that's never going to happen.

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You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.

Listen. I've had more fun in MSQ roulette lately because people actually talk to each other and have in-depth discussions than I've had in any other dungeon. Other dungeons people just see it as free EXP/tomestones or as a roadblock to the end of the MSQ. Here it feels like an MMO, and we actually talk to each other instead of treating each other like basically NPCs.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

It's really pain and rage, can't skip it.

I don't want be boring and tire watch many same cutscenes in Duty Roulette

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Ive ignored it since it started forcing you to watch the cutscenes. YOU can do it!

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.

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The three four man trials in leveling roulette are more a fluke, three duties out of a vast pool of leveling dungeons you can get.

With msq roulette there are exactly two duties, both with lots of cut scenes, so you know what you're getting into when you queue for it.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

You say this like lvling roulette doesn't still give bonuses when it gives you trials.

Also, lemme get this straight: If I queue up, while fully aware that cutscenes are to be unskippable for the sake of first time players/characters (because alts are a thing), but am given no first timers, I am to either be punished by time or, under your system, by bonus experience (that I queued up specifically to get) because the game didn't bother putting me with a new person?

Does your system at least allow the bonus to be given if you queue up again and then get a first timer? Otherwise you're advocating a system that can deny bonus experience based on a quirk of luck or the game's matchmaking algorithm. I mean, I know it's called a roulette, but it shouldn't be that much of a gamble.

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None of the other roulets give you THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there. You are not being punished, no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know, main scenario is only like 2 long missions that you can get, so you know that when you que for it, you are gonna get one or the other. If they removed the auto watch cutscene for there being no first timer, then the bonus for all the time there would be dropped as well.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

None of the other roulets give you THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there. You are not being punished, no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know

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Uff. 45 min for a Praetorium run.

Nobody is forcing you to do the MSQ roulette, yes. BUT it feels like you are forced to do so because of the obnoxious amount of exp you get. You have to do it if you want to level efficiently. And seriously, who doesn't?

It's rather frustrating to be forced to watch those cutscenes again and again, when you did it some years ago without being forced to do so. Nowadays people are semiAFK and have no fun doing the roulette. It feels like hurting oneself for exp. Back then we were rather motivated to do these runs as fast as possible and everybody was present. I don't see the point in forcing people to watch cutscenes again and again when there is no first-timer. And to say that the roulettes give you "THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there" is the wrong way to reward people. At the end of a guild hest you get rewarded for completing them fast and without anyone dying.

You get rewarded for your effort and not for time you put there. To be frank, the exp from MSQ roulette feels like a compensation and not like a reward.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

no one said you even had to do it and as far as i know

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This way of thinking achieves nothing and is rather rude.

Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.

SE did what they had to do with Main Scenario roulette. Now we have to live with it. Open up youtube. Turn on Netflix or Hulu. Maybe even get some music playing. It's really not that bad, and it's a lot of exp for minimal effort.

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Originally Posted by Shirantis

Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.

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Not every aspect of an MMO is going to fun and inviting to do. MMOs come with grinding and repetition, that's just part of the bargain.

The big MSQ dungeons and trials SHOULD be fun and inviting though. However, CM and Prae were hell for new players previously as groups would either leave them behind to watch CS and miss fights, or they got harrassed about watching the CSs, and others got kicked (this I personally never saw, but it has been mentioned over the years).

We as a playerbase ruined the experience for people working their way through these dungeons, and so this is a case of reaping what you sow.

As mentioned before, the MSQ roulette is not a required instance. They bumped up the rewards intentionally in order to help keep people running the roulette and to reward them for the increased time. If you don't have the time, or if you don't enjoy the roulette - simply don't run it. It's not rude to state this, just common sense. If you're concerned about leveling quickly, run the highest-level dungeon that you can. If you're on a DPS, run FATES while you wait.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Not every aspect of an MMO is going to fun and inviting to do. MMOs come with grinding and repetition, that's just part of the bargain.

The big MSQ dungeons and trials SHOULD be fun and inviting though. However, CM and Prae were hell for new players previously as groups would either leave them behind to watch CS and miss fights, or they got harrassed about watching the CSs, and others got kicked (this I personally never saw, but it has been mentioned over the years).

We as a playerbase ruined the experience for people working their way through these dungeons, and so this is a case of reaping what you sow.

As mentioned before, the MSQ roulette is not a required instance. They bumped up the rewards intentionally in order to help keep people running the roulette and to reward them for the increased time. If you don't have the time, or if you don't enjoy the roulette - simply don't run it. It's not rude to state this, just common sense. If you're concerned about leveling quickly, run the highest-level dungeon that you can. If you're on a DPS, run FATES while you wait.

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its like talking to a brick wall with these people. so IF.... YOU.... SKIP.... CUTSCENES.... YOU... DO.... NOT.... GET.... HUGE.... REWARD... Has it sunk in yet?

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

It's really pain and rage, can't skip it.

I don't want be boring and tire watch many same cutscenes in Duty Roulette

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No. /thread

The fact is people brought this on themselves anyway. You basically had the people who were watching the cutscenes during the dungeon for the sake of their enjoyment of the story, which is what the devs intended. And then you had the people speedrunning. This gave people reasons to be awful to one another, and SE stepped in.

It will never and should never be changed back.

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

It's really pain and rage, can't skip it.

I don't want be boring and tire watch many same cutscenes in Duty Roulette

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Consider this... if they allowed us to skip the cutscenes again they would also reduce the xp reward for the msq roulette (because its as high as it is due to the length of time the cutscenes eat up). Once you realize that you can't have the massive xp AND skippable cutscenes at the same time you'll come to the conclusion that just not doing the msq roulette is the way to go if you truly find it to be "pain and rage".

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Originally Posted by Shirantis

Uff. 45 min for a Praetorium run.

Nobody is forcing you to do the MSQ roulette, yes. BUT it feels like you are forced to do so because of the obnoxious amount of exp you get. You have to do it if you want to level efficiently. And seriously, who doesn't?

It's rather frustrating to be forced to watch those cutscenes again and again, when you did it some years ago without being forced to do so. Nowadays people are semiAFK and have no fun doing the roulette. It feels like hurting oneself for exp. Back then we were rather motivated to do these runs as fast as possible and everybody was present. I don't see the point in forcing people to watch cutscenes again and again when there is no first-timer. And to say that the roulettes give you "THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there" is the wrong way to reward people. At the end of a guild hest you get rewarded for completing them fast and without anyone dying.

You get rewarded for your effort and not for time you put there. To be frank, the exp from MSQ roulette feels like a compensation and not like a reward.



This way of thinking achieves nothing and is rather rude.

Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.

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But you aren't being forced to do it and the main reason you get that much exp is because of how long it is. If they granted the ability to skip the cut scenes, then you lose that huge amount of exp... Do you not understand that? You would lose it, thus lose the reason you are claimeing that you almost feel forced to do it.

If it bothers you that much, just dont do it. It is only two missions you get out of it and thus, you know dang well what you are getting into when you que up for it.

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Originally Posted by Shirantis

Uff. 45 min for a Praetorium run.

Nobody is forcing you to do the MSQ roulette, yes. BUT it feels like you are forced to do so because of the obnoxious amount of exp you get. You have to do it if you want to level efficiently. And seriously, who doesn't?

It's rather frustrating to be forced to watch those cutscenes again and again, when you did it some years ago without being forced to do so. Nowadays people are semiAFK and have no fun doing the roulette. It feels like hurting oneself for exp. Back then we were rather motivated to do these runs as fast as possible and everybody was present. I don't see the point in forcing people to watch cutscenes again and again when there is no first-timer. And to say that the roulettes give you "THAT much exp and the only reason you are getting that much is because time put there" is the wrong way to reward people. At the end of a guild hest you get rewarded for completing them fast and without anyone dying.

You get rewarded for your effort and not for time you put there. To be frank, the exp from MSQ roulette feels like a compensation and not like a reward.



This way of thinking achieves nothing and is rather rude.

Every aspect of the game should be inviting and fun to do, even the MSQ roulette. Rewards are nice, but they should not be the only reason to do roulettes. I enjoy most roulettes because they offer a variaty of content and are fun to do. Praetorium and castrum used to be fun.

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Telling people that "they can watch cutscenes one their own time" on a roulette that is designed to help new players get through that content isnt fun.

But, lets play devils advocate here, if they somehow implimented the abilitiy to do said roulette with the stipulations that if there is no new person trying to do said content then it would allow the use of skipping cutscenes, BUT, made it so that the exp was dropped to normal lvls, would you be ok with that?

Because, lets be real here, they can't just leave it the same and let you get the same exp for running it while skipping because if a new player did get qued in with those wanting to skip, players would just vote kick said person out so they could skip, and if you left an option in for the new player to skip thus allowing people to skip, the new player would be bullied into doing that and if you let all players just skip, the new player would be put through the horridness that was before where they had no clue what even was going on and things are just killed before they have a chance to even finish the cutscene.

Again, that roulette only has like two in it, if it bothers you so much, just dont do it.