Desynthesis Endgame Guide

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Originally Posted by TorYvresse

"dSkill 60-80: Aged Ring (r55) [60% - 92.5%] (FC2) (buy for 3k from Silver Bazaar vendor)"

Out of 99 (including failed attempts) yielded junk ingots/gems, aged eye of fire, and clear demi. No FC2

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Also did about 150 and have never received a FC2.

Apologies - I posted bad info then. OP will be corrected. Again, I rely on other people's reports for stuff I don't do (or can't do), so please let me know if anything here seems wrong!

Also updated OP with Crowned Pies (r48, CUL desynthable). I dunno how I missed that these were desynthable, but they've always been. A good stepping stone when leveling desynth, but so far, my wife hasn't seen any demis from them, only silver and brass rings. The value of NQ pies (at least on my server) is the same as the value of the best item we've obtained from them so far (HQ silver rings), so this is not a useful way to make a profit at high levels. But, at low levels, it's a good way to cheaply level if you don't feel like fishing, since you make back a good portion of what you spend. Of course, fishing is still cheaper, but time is a cost too, and the pies can be quick-synthed and are stackable, which is rare for a desynthable item.

Just wanted to confirm that Aetherial Wheels DO give FC3 demimateria - very happy to get my hands on such a cheap craft for it =D

splintered chest (drop from sastasha hm--the drop itself not the finished "dead man's chest" furniture) is an r90 (armorer) that gives darksteel ingots, wolfram squares, darksteel rivets, and 1-2 FC 3's (maybe possibly 3 FC III's but I never saw it in over 100 desynths)

Presumably same mats from desynthing dead man's chest but you'd never do that since that synth takes 3 splintered chests...

I can confirm Artisan's Needle gives 3 MCD

http://puu.sh/g71Qh/7aa3828f48.jpg

I got 1 yesterday

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Also did about 150 and have never received a FC2.

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I got 1 yesterday

Has anyone gotten anything nice from the Artisan's/Forager's off-hand (secondary) tools?

Why isn't BSM doing these for desynth? Mythral Baslards at lvl 41. Or Mythral Pugiones lvl 45. Horned hatchet has so many pieces. It's hard to rinse and repeat.

Anyway, those are the items I did and felt like I broke pretty close to even.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Has anyone gotten anything nice from the Artisan's/Forager's off-hand (secondary) tools?

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That would be insane to do. 6 ehcatl sealants to make one of those.

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Originally Posted by Squand

Why isn't BSM doing these for desynth? Mythral Baslards at lvl 41. Or Mythral Pugiones lvl 45. Horned hatchet has so many pieces. It's hard to rinse and repeat.

Anyway, those are the items I did and felt like I broke pretty close to even.

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guide was made before ninja. and there's a lot to it and a lot to update. Just use common sense more than the specific item recommendations.

Got a Rose Gold Ring from desynthing Better Crowned Pies. And then had the good fortune to desynth that into a Rose Gold Ingot!

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Originally Posted by PokingAround

Got a Rose Gold Ring from desynthing Better Crowned Pies. And then had the good fortune to desynth that into a Rose Gold Ingot!

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Nice! Thanks for letting us know that. But... why would you desynth that ring? Those things go for over 100k on my server. They're BiS for DoL retainers and Fishers.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Has anyone gotten anything nice from the Artisan's/Forager's off-hand (secondary) tools?

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You can get sealants back. So if you failed to hq it you can desyn it and pray.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Nice! Thanks for letting us know that. But... why would you desynth that ring? Those things go for over 100k on my server. They're BiS for DoL retainers and Fishers.

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Well, mostly because I didn't know that. But now I do, and that's very interesting. Never occurred to me to fill combat jewelry with DoL materia.

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Originally Posted by PokingAround

Well, mostly because I didn't know that. But now I do, and that's very interesting. Never occurred to me to fill combat jewelry with DoL materia.

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The meld caps for an i70 item are +5 Gathering and +5 Perception. i55 items are capped at +4 Gathering, +4 Perception. Because FSH only care about Gathering and Perception, the i70 accessories are much better for them than the i55 GP accessories. For DoL retainers, the only stat that matters is Gathering, so again, the GP accessories, unmelded, are as useful as the combat accessories, but the combat accessories can be melded with more Gathering.

The i90 and i110 accessories are DoW/DoM only to prevent people from using them as GP-less DoL accessories.

just thought I would give my input. Trying to get through that horrid 75-85 stage on bsm. I thought since I did alot of aged pestle, I used the pieces to make perfect pestle and was desynthing them. Guide says they give FC3 but they have only been giving me FC1's bit of a bummer but still cheaper then breaking loads of summoning bells since after making about 20 of them the only ones that did succeed only gave me back the damn feathers.

I grinded my way to about 50 Artisan's Spectacles in good hopes to get enough MD for Supra. At lvl 81 GSM I found the courage to desynth 'em.
The result was: 40% blew up, 8 FC3 and 0 MD... -__-

Needles to say I'm greatly discouraged. The above took at least a month with casual+ play. I should have known. My RNG experience with this game have been atrocious to say the least.

Anyone else noticed this kinda daily demimateria exhaustion? The yield seems to get lower the more I desynth. Another limitation on grind from SE? I'm the kind of person who hordes items/currency before synthing/desynthing/buy. This tactic in regard of desynthing seems -in my experience- rather poor 'cause of the aforementioned "exhaustion".

<offtopic>Originally this post was longer. Apparently one can't wait even 5 mins before SE logs you out. This is 4th attempt to post. The solution is to copypaste from notepad. Seriously SE, what the ??! Stop wasting my time :mad: </offtopic>

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

I grinded my way to about 50 Artisan's Spectacles in good hopes to get enough MD for Supra. At lvl 81 GSM I found the courage to desynth 'em.
The result was: 40% blew up, 8 FC3 and 0 MD... -__-

Needles to say I'm greatly discouraged.

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You had a 71.5% desynth success change, right? 40% is unlucky, but not that unlucky. Sounds like you broke 20 where the average was 15. If you wanted to reduce that chance and had a giant number of things to desynth all at once, you might have considered using HQ Tinker's Calm, and possibly HQ Bacon Broth as well. Together, you would have had half the fail rate and wound up with 10 more successful desynths on average.

As people have pointed out on this thread and others, spectacles aren't the best method of getting MCDs anymore. Tools have a much higher yield than specs. For GSM, you could use Artisan's Needles.

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Originally Posted by Yurihyuga

just thought I would give my input. Trying to get through that horrid 75-85 stage on bsm. I thought since I did alot of aged pestle, I used the pieces to make perfect pestle and was desynthing them. Guide says they give FC3 but they have only been giving me FC1's bit of a bummer but still cheaper then breaking loads of summoning bells since after making about 20 of them the only ones that did succeed only gave me back the damn feathers.

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Huh. That's not what people told me you get from the Perfect items =\ I don't get why some high rlvl items give FC1s... Such a weird decision on SE's part.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

You had a 71.5% desynth success change, right?...
As people have pointed out on this thread and others, spectacles aren't the best method of getting MCDs anymore. Tools have a much higher yield than specs. For GSM, you could use Artisan's Needles.

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I eat a NQ Beacon Broth and it was about 71%+ yeah. As I remember it, just about under half blew up. 40% is being a bit kind I think, but I'm kinda used to the bad RNG from synthin, so, shrug.

And, yeah, I overlooked the Needles. Or maybe that wan't pointed out 5-6 weeks ago when I started planing? Anyway, I found out after I bought all those spectacles ><.

Great guide btw, impressive work! :)

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

As I remember it, just about under half blew up.

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Thank you :) Desynth is a gamble, especially when going for MCDs. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes, you don't. My wife and I worked together a week ago to make 144 CRP tokens for 18 chocobotail saws, which took about four hours of pure crafting. We wound up getting 15 MCDs, which is about average. The last time I made those in bulk, I made about 80 for 10 saws, and wound up getting only 1 MCD. It's really a huge gamble, but the only way to get an item that's absolutely required for endgame crafting and endgame gathering. :( To max out all DoH/DoL classes, it takes 39 MCDs, which is a heck of a lot, given how few desynth classes have access to them and how luck-based they are to get even for the ones who do have access to them.

On the "plus" side, 3.0 will likely render all the Artisan's items obsolete, and we'll have a new desynth-only grind item that's required for all DoH/DoL stuff :P

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

On the "plus" side, 3.0 will likely render all the Artisan's items obsolete, and we'll have a new desynth-only grind item that's required for all DoH/DoL stuff :P

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Are there any hints on what they will do? New BiS items is a given, but I'm thinking more like making the Supra cheaper? Or the BiS main (Lucius or whatever) cheaper, like 10 moonstones instead of 20. Making them obsolete would wreak havoc. SE being the grindmasters as they are we can only wait in fear.

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Are there any hints on what they will do? New BiS items is a given, but I'm thinking more like making the Supra cheaper? Or the BiS main (Lucius or whatever) cheaper, like 10 moonstones instead of 20. Making them obsolete would wreak havoc. SE being the grindmasters as they are we can only wait in fear.

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As far as I know, nothing has been said at all about how 3.0 will affect DoH/DoL classes. My expectation (and again, this is just speculation) is that all classes will experience a level cap increase, and with any increase, I would expect new equipment. I also expect (again, no proof of this) that any future crafter/gatherer "relic" items (such as the AF->Supra->Lucis) will have their own path independent of the items we currently have. SE has done this in other areas, setting content up so that people who are behind can catch up more easily. You didn't need an i110 Gerolt's Masterworks weapon to get an i120 Ironworks weapon. You don't need to clear Ifrit EX to challenge Leviathan/Mog EX. With Zodiac being completely done with 2.5x, I expect that Lucis is also the end of the crafter/gatherer "relic" path. I could be wrong, but I would be very surprised if the 3.0 DoW/DoM relic path required a Zodiac or if the 3.0 DoH/DoL "relic" path required a Lucis.

With i70-i90 Artisan's and Forager's items yielding MCDs, I would expect (again, speculation) the next tier of such equipment to desynth into a new type of Demimateria that we'll need for the next tier of crafter/gatherer "relic" upgrades.

This is all kind of off-topic though. More on-topic, I think it's clear from the 100->110 dSkill upgrade that 3.0 will bring another increase in desynth level. I'm expecting an increase of 110->130 (just going to 120 with 3.0 just doesn't seem like it's enough for the Demon gear and such) to also include an increase in max desynth from 350 to 400. I doubt we'll ever be able to have more than three desynth classes maxed, but they definitely like using round numbers, which is why I think we had the awkwardness of 100 individual max skill and 300 combined max, and why we now have 350 combined max skill. If they did an increase to 120, they may not even increase the combined max, just to keep the numbers round and simple. Regardless, I really don't recommend that people start on a fourth desynth class right now after maxing three. While you can put ~16 points into it, you can't do much with 16, and if the individual cap raises faster than the combined cap, you'll be in an annoying position (unless you buy one of those forgetting books).


/3.0speculation

Any thoughts about daily demimateria exhaustion (less yield the more you desynth pr. day)? I can't think of a single desynth session this hasn't been true. It could be a coincidence, of course. But I could also win the lottery 3 weeks in a row. No one would believe that would be a coincidence. My point is that there is a threshold to what you acknowledge as mere coincidence.

If no one else experience this then I guess I'm either lucky at the start of the session or unlucky at the end. All the time lol (Or SE has a grudge against me :O). The yield seems correct according to this guide at the beginning of the session.

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Any thoughts about daily demimateria exhaustion (less yield the more you desynth pr. day)? I can't think of a single desynth session this hasn't been true. It could be a coincidence, of course. But I could also win the lottery 3 weeks in a row. No one would believe that would be a coincidence. My point is that there is a threshold to what you acknowledge as mere coincidence.

If no one else experience this then I guess I'm either lucky at the start of the session or unlucky at the end. All the time lol (Or SE has a grudge against me :O). The yield seems correct according to this guide at the beginning of the session.

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Logical fallacy. I posted enough about this elsewhere - you're suffering from a logical fallacy known as "Insensitivity to Sample Size." You are expecting less variance from your experiences vs everyone else's, when your personal experiences actually represent a smaller sample than what you're comparing to. Smaller samples have more variance, not less. If someone flips a coin 1,000 times and gets heads ~500 times and tails ~500 times, and then I flip the coin three times and get heads every time, I can claim that the coin has become weighted due to all the flipping, but that's not true. I simply had a run of luck. Plenty of times during the 1,000 flips were there three heads in a row, but it all averaged out over the thousand datapoints. You are also likely expressing some confirmation bias - I'll bet you're only noting instances where this is true and ignoring the times it isn't, or noting a run of bad luck while ignoring the behavior before and after the run.

Last time I was crafting, I HQed items at 70-80% ten times in a row, and then failed to HQ one at 90%. Is that bad luck? No, that's actually good luck, but most people would see that as really unlucky and claim "90% always fails in this game." There's only a 5% chance of HQing items at 75% ten times in a row, whereas there's a 10% chance of failing to HQ one item at 90%.

As I've posted elsewhere, SE has confirmed that they use true random numbers, meaning, their random numbers are 100% independent of each other. There is nothing in the game where the chances change the more you do it. Your chance of getting demimateria from the first desynth is the same as from the last desynth (though your desynth success rate may change if you skill up, use a Tinker's Calm, etc, of course).

There is no time trick for Atma; Atma have a fixed drop rate. There is no trick to getting Alex from FATEs; Alex from FATES have a fixed drop rate. No action you take will affect your chance of getting specific demimateria from desynthing. No action you take will improve the chance of getting an elemental horse horn from an EX primal. No action you take will make a meld more or less likely to succeed than the chance shown. No action you take will make a desynth attempt more or less likely to succeed than the chance shown. There is nothing you can do to affect how likely an NPC is to drop a specific card after a Triple Triad match (the chance is a flat % either based on the NPC you are fighting or the rarity of the card - which is unclear, but it isn't based on your actions).

I find it kinda silly that people complain about SE's RNG being too random, and yet no one wants a weighted RNG that tries to balance out bad luck with good and vice versa. Just think about the implications of such a "random" number generator - you'd have to deliberately fail as much as you can to charge up your success rate before doing anything risky. To maintain the current economy, success chances would have to drop significantly to make up for the ability to game the system, causing gaming the system to be a necessity. That would be super irritating.

If you want to believe that SE is lying when they explained how their RNG works, that's your choice. If want to believe that the RNG specifically gives some people "bad" numbers and others "good" numbers, that's your choice. If you want to believe that the RNG watches your every move and alters the numbers it generates as a result, that's your choice. But, if you choose to believe any of those, you're wrong, objectively speaking.


I really wish logical thinking was taught in school these days along with all the common fallacies. :(

You may be reading too much into my post, or maybe I'm not being clear...
When you notice patterns in randomness it's more rational to wonder why then just affirm it's randomness.

I said there is a certain threshold to what one acknowledge as "true randomness", not that "true randomness" can't create results with seemingly intelligent input. In other words: I (kinda) asked if the seemingly intelligent input, had intelligent input? I've noticed a pattern in what should be random and ask if other people notice the same thing. I know little to nothing of how SE calculate the outcome, but knowing how they love making people grind, I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. I'll take your word for it though. I acknowledge that I have been unlucky.

Might already be known to some but my little secret on getting bc3's at a crazy cheap price. Maybe not cheap for long.
astrolabe (gsm) takes only 9 aqueous whetstone which on my server drop to 100gil until i buy them up. Also some other mats but on my server looking at 10-20k max for the overall crafts.

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Originally Posted by arrie-prime

Might already be known to some but my little secret on getting bc3's at a crazy cheap price. Maybe not cheap for long.
astrolabe (gsm) takes only 9 aqueous whetstone which on my server drop to 100gil until i buy them up. Also some other mats but on my server looking at 10-20k max for the overall crafts.

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Yeah, this was the old method, but they quickly shot up to several thousand each, making this non-viable. I guess it's viable again on some servers? If prices stay long enough for a bit, I'll add it to the OP.

Hope you guys don't mind me submitting some data.
- getting some BC3 and wolfram(not in screenshot) w/ Armor from current set and last set of EX dungeons.
- leveling ALC through PvP i90 PLD weap (too many wolfmarks to know what to do with)
- Scared to desynth rest of my T5 weapons..... I want to find out IF there's anything besides wootz and rose gold ingot. But I can't imagine anything else being worthwhile as Allagan Leather comes from armor/clothes....

http://cdn1.share.slickpic.com/u/Ale...esynth/web.jpg

rest of my desynth were just Aetherial Wheels and Summoning Bells,
http://www.twitch.tv/bibi_hk/b/633361222

Hi Nya and All,

Some more data for Desynthesis:

WEAVER

* @ Desynthesis Level 100, I desynthed:

* Item Level 100 Gear from Expert Dungeons (Keeper of the Lake, Wanderer's Palace Hard, Amdapor Keep Hard) (e.g., Picaroon's Trousers of Striking, Bogatyr's Rope Belt of Casting, etc.) and had 50% Chance of Success to Desynth.

* Level Up Amount: 0.34 - 0.46 per attempt! (Nice)

* Items Received: Cashmere Cloth, Vanya Silk, and Clusters.

Thanks.

Back with more on the Better Crowned Pie desynth. Rose Gold and Electrum Rings aside, the other things the pie can desynth into are: tiny crown (I suspect this was already known, but just in case), FC2, and FC3, along with a single water cluster per desynth. I got awesome gains on these all the way up to 106+, getting something like .3-.4 per now.

Thanks guys! I'll incorporate this info next time I edit the OP.

I might start a database of every item that can be dropped by a piece of dungeon (or turn-in) gear... I just haven't bothered to keep track of non-rare/unique items, but honestly, it would be nice to know when deciding if I'm going to desynth a random dungeon drop or turn it in for seals (especially items i60 and below, which can't yield BC3s).

Great guide Nyalia, I have been using this guide for a long time and used it to lvl WVR and LTW to 110. I recently started working on ARM and currently sit at 75. I wanted to contribute to the list and add some cheap fast sources of demimateira.

FC2- Raptorskin Rings, these only require 1 raptor leather and 1 raptor sinew. This makes it extremely cheap and a bonus is it can be quick synthed. yield 1-2

BC2- I like to use the militia choker, this also only requires 2 mats. 1x hippo leather and 1 x raptor sinew. yield 1-2

Hey all,

Fishers can get NQ Gigant Clams extremely easy while they are fishing for Lucis. they have a very high hook rate compared to other i80 fish and this is probably the best way to level CUL desynth until you can do Better Crowned Pies.

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Originally Posted by Coryza

Hey all,

Fishers can get NQ Gigant Clams extremely easy while they are fishing for Lucis. they have a very high hook rate compared to other i80 fish and this is probably the best way to level CUL desynth until you can do Better Crowned Pies.

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Pretty solid advice there. I'll add it to the OP next update.

Hey guys! Have read the post and it helped me a lot thanks for that!

Anyway I have another question and hope some of you could answer quickly, would really appreciate it <3

What of those Artisan's items (ilv 70) can my weaver desynth. I noticed that goldsmith can desynth a certian amount of things but didn't see any the weaver can.

Hope you understand my question.

with regards Ascalon

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

What of those Artisan's items (ilv 70) can my weaver desynth.

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You can desynth the Artisan Gowns and Chausses.

Only need 4 HQ Plywoods to turn in for those items.

However these gear items don't have the same desynthesis MCD yield potential that the artisan Mainhand tools do, so you are at that disadvantage. if you aren't interested in desynthesis with Blacksmith, Goldsmith, or Armorer you won't have that best yield potential, but that only really matters if you're trying to be competitive in selling MCD on the market board.

edit: You can also be desynthing wedding gear for FC3. You can desynth forager hats too, but the turn-ins for DoL hasn't been nerfed as much as DoH, they're still grindy

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

You can desynth the Artisan Gowns and Chausses.

Only need 4 HQ Plywoods to turn in for those items.

However these gear items don't have the same desynthesis MCD yield potential that the artisan Mainhand tools do, so you are at that disadvantage. if you aren't interested in desynthesis with Blacksmith, Goldsmith, or Armorer you won't have that best yield potential, but that only really matters if you're trying to be competitive in selling MCD on the market board.

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Hey, thanks!

But its weird, I tried to desynth artisans chausses, but there was no option for that.
And you're right. Currently I am leveling my goldsmith to 50 and wanna bring desynth up too. So there are more chances to get Mastercraft Demimateria from Mainhand items right? Does it make sense if I do it with the goldsmith then?

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Originally Posted by CodeAscalon

Hey, thanks!

But its weird, I tried to desynth artisans chausses, but there was no option for that.
And you're right. Currently I am leveling my goldsmith to 50 and wanna bring desynth up too. So there are more chances to get Mastercraft Demimateria from Mainhand items right? Does it make sense if I do it with the goldsmith then?

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You can't desynth any artisan gear from Talan other than the main hands and the specs.. If the rest of the gear has become desynthable that would've been from 2.55 patch.. I didn't see any mention of it though.