SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

And your point is? The only things anyone ever did was leves and behests ( aside from Raptor parties) NO one ever grinded for sp.... at all... I mean ... at all... and I know quite a few spots to grind for sp...

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My point is that sp/hour gains are lower than pre-patch now. Since it is slower to rank up it means ranking up was in fact affected which Yoshi said it wouldn't.

Our point is: We don't care about your troubles.
We don't share them.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

He didn't say in the letter he was balancing it, he said it wouldn't be affected at all and since nothing after the patch provides as much SP as behest before the patch ranking up is now slower, which means it was affected. So he lied.

Look, we've been friends for some time and I respect you. If you are pleased with the way the game is now than I am truly happy for you dude and am glad you enjoy it so much.

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I know Kensei, but im getting annoyed of the fact that you said he "lied" to us when clearly he died, Ranking up to 50 in 1-2 weeks isnt an MMO, he even did say he wanted to make the game feel like a MMO not a single player game He may not have said it in that latest letter but he said it meaning "expect balancing" in certain areas Grind parties were not affected, You should try it at least no one has tried it anyhow expect for a me and another LS I know but even that its on a rareity scale.

I dont like argueing, but I also dont like when people tell someone there lying when they are not, and they are going to continue balancing till its completely balanced.. Heck they may keep the same sp rates and just lower the exp needed to get a rank..

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Our point is: We don't care about your troubles.
We don't share them.

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Then I'm very glad for those of you having the time of your lives. Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

He didn't say in the letter he was balancing it, he said it wouldn't be affected at all and since nothing after the patch provides as much SP as behest before the patch ranking up is now slower, which means it was affected. So he lied.

Look, we've been friends for some time and I respect you. If you are pleased with the way the game is now than I am truly happy for you dude and am glad you enjoy it so much.

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he said the ability to rank up wouldnt be affected and it hasnt
the ability to rank up in certain ways has been affected, but that doesnt mean the overall ability is gone

you just dont know how to listen

you are so mad and closed minded that everyone here is telling you how wrong you are, but apperently 1 person vs 50 means 1 person is right

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Originally Posted by Kensei

My point is that sp/hour gains are lower than pre-patch now. Since it is slower to rank up it means ranking up was in fact affected which Yoshi said it wouldn't.

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The point is that your point is false, and based on the false assumption that behest were the fastest way to rank up.

Besides, you didn't even experience the whole leveling curve of the game, so how would you know? You know that at level 36 you're not even halfway to 50, right?

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Originally Posted by Kensei

My point is that sp/hour gains are lower than pre-patch now. Since it is slower to rank up it means ranking up was in fact affected which Yoshi said it wouldn't.

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If you actually tried other things you would understand :/ All he did was Balance which it was desparatly needed.. Getting =to 50 in 1-2 weeks isnt what I call a MMO =(

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others. You'd have more dignity if you kept your mouths shut and your fingers off the post button.. and made helpful threads or supported some of the things on this board intended to improve the way this game relates to its fans. They lowered sp for every single thing you kill and some of you are "lathering yourselves in masochism" as someone recently said.

It took me 7 or 8 months to get Conjurer to cap by doing a lot of soloing. At this rate people are going to stop ranking up because the reward for effort is too low. That's something you defensive people should take note of. Don't prey upon people you see as whiners.. if you're strong enough to come in here and insult people use your strength to make suggestions to the dev team.

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Then I'm very glad for those of you having the time of your lives. Have fun!

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That's the first reasonable comment from you on 41 pages.
Thank you. Seems not all is lost after all!

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others. You'd have more dignity if you kept your mouths shut and your fingers off the post button.. and made helpful threads or supported some of the things on this board intended to improve the way this game relates to its fans. They lowered sp for every single thing you kill and some of you are "lathering yourselves in masochism" as someone recently said.

It took me 7 or 8 months to get Conjurer to cap by doing a lot of soloing. At this rate people are going to stop ranking up because the reward for effort is too low. That's something you defensive people should take note of. Don't prey upon people you see as whiners.. if you're strong enough to come in here and insult people use your strength to make suggestions to the dev team.

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you realize you just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread right?

we are giving people the solutions, they just dont want to listen to them

we arent bashing the people who are upset, we are on this 1 closed minded fool who just doesnt want to listen

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Originally Posted by Kensei

My point is that sp/hour gains are lower than pre-patch now. Since it is slower to rank up it means ranking up was in fact affected which Yoshi said it wouldn't.

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I don't know about YOUR experience with the game, but PRE PRE PRE patch, getting 10-15k SP an hour on grinding mobs was the BEST you can get.

They had a decent SP gain with the first SP patch(200-300SP per mob on a leve with aspect), completely exaggerated it with the second SP patch(400-1000SP per mob with aspect)and now reduced it again, which was a neccesarry. People experienced far worse SP gains than what you claim to experience, so don't act as if you know your stuff that well. It has been worse than this and it was better than this, you only experienced the better, so be happy you didn't experience the worse.

SP atm is fine. It might need minor adjustments, but it's not broken or anything.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others.

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"bwaaaaah they are disagreeing with me! I'm sad! I'm going to cry to mommy!"

Here's a direct translation of your post in picture form:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.co...9493659604.jpg

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I know Kensei, but im getting annoyed of the fact that you said he "lied" to us when clearly he died, Ranking up to 50 in 1-2 weeks isnt an MMO, he even did say he wanted to make the game feel like a MMO not a single player game He may not have said it in that latest letter but he said it meaning "expect balancing" in certain areas Grind parties were not affected, You should try it at least no one has tried it anyhow expect for a me and another LS I know but even that its on a rareity scale.

I dont like argueing, but I also dont like when people tell someone there lying when they are not, and they are going to continue balancing till its completely balanced.. Heck they may keep the same sp rates and just lower the exp needed to get a rank..

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You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

Affecting something can be in both a positive way, a negative way or not affecting it at all. He said it wouldn't be affected at all. Now if something is less than it was before, in this case SP gains, then it was affected. If he said it wouldn't be affected and it was, then what does that mean? What he said wouldn't happen, happened. If you say tell someone you won't do something and then go and do it, you lied.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

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You're right. It didn't give the same sp/hour behest did. It gave more. Way more.

Again, you're not even halfway through the leveling curve, you completely lack the tools to judge.

Repeating like a mantra that behest were the best way to level doesn't make it true.

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You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

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Behest neither is, nor ever was the best SP/hour. Just: Never.
Even normal, simple raptor-grinding is better SP/hour than Behest?

And against leve-linking Behest failed by a factor of... around 4?

Dammit, are you deaf?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You're right. It didn't give the same sp/hour behest did. It gave more. Way more.

Again, you're not even halfway through the leveling curve, you completely lack the tools to judge.

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lol, so wait, is he saying he wants less sp per hour?

cuz yeah, grinding gave a ton more sp per hour then behest did

10k per hour on behest.....
30k per hour in a grind.....

let me think, hmm....which do i want

oh i know, i want 10k per hour!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

He didn't say in the letter he was balancing it, he said it wouldn't be affected at all and since nothing after the patch provides as much SP as behest before the patch ranking up is now slower, which means it was affected. So he lied. .

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Actually this is not 100% true, if you look here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...827-06-2011%29

The whole letter is called:: FINAL FANTASY XIV Balance Reforms

Some of the areas of the letter, as he talks about what he is doing are called::

Skill Points: Introduction and Balancing
Regional Levequest Battle Rebalancing

And here::

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...807-20-2011%29

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All of this means big changes to the game’s balance, aimed at giving players the freedom to play however they like.

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Sometimes a balance can look like a nerf, and considering that we only have half of a completed project (since he said it would take 1.18 and 1.19 to implement everything) I am sure there are still some issues that need to be completed.

Seeing that the patch has only been out for 2 days I think it's a bit early to be pointing fingers and calling SE a liar. I can not say I am 100% pleased with everything SE has done either, but I am willing to wait and let them complete the last few patches, while pointing out bugs and issues, without claiming that they have lied or deceived us in any way.

Wow. This thread's pretty hostile.

I've got to say, though, I do agree that ranking up has been pretty severely nerfed, at least to an extent (though I wouldn't go so far as to call Yoshi-P a liar). I've been trying all the methods I can think of to gain SP.

Leves don't even come close to cutting it any more, of course. I haven't done a post-patch Behest yet, but I hear its rewards have been reduced.

Solo grinding's out, as I'm typically getting less than 100 SP on higher level mobs. I haven't gotten to try party grinding, but supposedly the upcoming enemy redistribution is going to make that viable. Not to mention, the seek invite function is still pretty goofy and has been going unused, at least on my server.

I'm wondering if I'm not seeing any group play due to the fact that my server has a low population, but who knows. And, given, this is all from my perspective on my rank 18 Lancer, but I have yet to find any form of SP gain that doesn't inch along with minimal progress.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you realize you just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread right?

we are giving people the solutions, they just dont want to listen to them

we arent bashing the people who are upset, we are on this 1 closed minded fool who just doesnt want to listen

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What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point. The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch and nothing right now gives comparable gains. If you think I'm close minded then why are you wasting your time in my thread?

Those who are going through the same know exactly what I mean. Those of you liking the changes go enjoy it. I hope you have lots of fun!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

Affecting something can be in both a positive way, a negative way or not affecting it at all. He said it wouldn't be affected at all. Now if something is less than it was before, in this case SP gains, then it was affected. If he said it wouldn't be affected and it was, then what does that mean? What he said wouldn't happen, happened. If you say tell someone you won't do something and then go and do it, you lied.

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Your still on the behest thing? try other things experience is key doing one thing wont get you anywhere.. I'm sorryt but I agree with everyone here Behest wasnt the best sp its leves I got nearly a rank or more in 1 leve run being 46-47 and got 120k sp in a.2hrs.. thats over kill sp and its def not needed in the game..

Behest it goes like this:

*Faster you complete behest the more sp you get when you complete it

and I do behests if Im in the middle of doing something but if im fully involved with the game I do other things to get sp, I don't just go for the "best" sp I find new ways to obtain it

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The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch

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[SIZE="7"]DAMMIT, ARE YOU DEAF AND ILLITERATE?[/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Kensei

What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point. The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch and nothing right now gives comparable gains. If you think I'm close minded then why are you wasting your time in my thread?

Those who are going through the same know exactly what I mean. Those of you liking the changes go enjoy it. I hope you have lots of fun!

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the solution is to do something other then behest

is that so hard to understand?


if you dont want to do something else, thats on you, not SE.


also what if i pointed out you are now getting the same SP you got pre SP changes? so guess what, your getting SP like you used to in behest when it was popular back then too!

so they didnt really nerf behest, they put it back to how it was(didnt think of that now did you?)

Ah.
Now I got it.
I'm a little slow today.
It's just a troll.;)

Bye-bye.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point.

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Do other things (like grinding parties) that give BETTER experience than that. The fact is that people have been giving you the solution for a while, and you just refuse to listen, because it completely invalidates your point, making you the liar.

*sigh* i do not know how many time does people need to keep on saying this and that, and still Kensei, you want to say behest this and that. you sir are a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad little man with no confidence of even venturing forward with curiosity.

epic phail man, epic phail.

If you don't share the same troubles as Kensei, then stop posting.

This thread is to discuss the SP issues, not deal with straw-man arguments.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point. The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch and nothing right now gives comparable gains. If you think I'm close minded then why are you wasting your time in my thread?

Those who are going through the same know exactly what I mean. Those of you liking the changes go enjoy it. I hope you have lots of fun!

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You really are deaf, aren't you? Behest NEVER has been the best SP/hour, you repeating that over and over doesn't make it true. Best Sp/hour has always been grinding on regular mobs. The fact that behest was easy to join and didn't take much attention made it a "convenient" way to grind, not the best. Wait for people to figure out grind spots for all Rank ranges and you will see that grinding on regular mobs is better sp/hour than behest ever was. Cause right now the only rank range people cared about finding grind spots was R 40+ and grinding on mobs at 40+ gave you 300SP per mob w/o any downtime. You could grind mobs the whole 60minutes so go figure what kind of SP/hour that was...

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Your still on the behest thing? try other things experience is key doing one thing wont get you anywhere.. I'm sorryt but I agree with everyone here Behest wasnt the best sp its leves I got nearly a rank or more in 1 leve run being 46-47 and got 120k sp in a.2hrs.. thats over kill sp and its def not needed in the game..

Behest it goes like this:

*Faster you complete behest the more sp you get when you complete it

and I do behests if Im in the middle of doing something but if im fully involved with the game I do other things to get sp, I don't just go for the "best" sp I find new ways to obtain it

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Star you are not understanding this. I know there are many ways to get SP, I get that but nothing now gives as much sp/hour as behest did. You and some others may say that is not true but my experiences show otherwise and I told you in the game yesterday about it.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

[SIZE="7"]DAMMIT, ARE YOU DEAF AND ILLITERATE?[/SIZE]

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He did behest because it was the best sp/hour for HIS play style.

OK? EVERYONE has a DIFFERENT playstyle.

Man, I hate it when people think their way is the only way...

As far as I'm concerned, SP overall has been nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

*sigh* i do not know how many time does people need to keep on saying this and that, and still Kensei, you want to say behest this and that. you sir are a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad little man with no confidence of even venturing forward with curiosity.

epic phail man, epic phail.

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You are entitled to your opinion. The fact is Yoshi did what he said he wouldn't. I am very glad you like the changes though, more power to you.

curiously ffxi fans defend party grind fest that leveling in two weeks is not mmo, well ffxi you can got 1 to lvl 90 in 2 days now

hard for made or search party find tank and healer class take a hours, people dont uses party finder so shout for hours is boring, people leave in half hour so
i prefer fatigue with old system that new system wher eyou kill enemies +8 level of you and give you 100 sp

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Do other things (like grinding parties) that give BETTER experience than that. The fact is that people have been giving you the solution for a while, and you just refuse to listen, because it completely invalidates your point, making you the liar.

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Not to Mention Grinding is " Continuous" Behest and leve's are not that's why Grind partyies will always dish out the best sp by the time you reach behest time or leve time

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the solution is to do something other then behest

is that so hard to understand?


if you dont want to do something else, thats on you, not SE.


also what if i pointed out you are now getting the same SP you got pre SP changes? so guess what, your getting SP like you used to in behest when it was popular back then too!

so they didnt really nerf behest, they put it back to how it was(didnt think of that now did you?)

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I would gladly try anything that gives the same sp/hour behest did pre-patch. But guess what? It doesn't exist after the patch.

Behest wasn't nerfed? Behest was probably the biggest SP nerf of them all. If they put it the way it was it was they still nerfed from what it was in 1.17c. So Yoshi lied.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

If you don't share the same troubles as Kensei, then stop posting.

This thread is to discuss the SP issues, not deal with straw-man arguments.

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actualy, this thread was starting by kensei to complain about his behest issues...go look who the OP is

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

You really are deaf, aren't you? Behest NEVER has been the best SP/hour, you repeating that over and over doesn't make it true. Best Sp/hour has always been grinding on regular mobs. The fact that behest was easy to join and didn't take much attention made it a "convenient" way to grind, not the best. Wait for people to figure out grind spots for all Rank ranges and you will see that grinding on regular mobs is better sp/hour than behest ever was. Cause right now the only rank range people cared about finding grind spots was R 40+ and grinding on mobs at 40+ gave you 300SP per mob w/o any downtime. You could grind mobs the whole 60minutes so go figure what kind of SP/hour that was...

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That's your own personal experience. The reason I'm not replying to those claiming behest was not the best sp/hour is because they are all full of ****.

Most people posting here now have no interest in discussing the issue and are now looking for ways to bash me or prove me wrong. But hey it's their time and they can use it how they like.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

That's your own personal experience. The reason I'm not replying to thoe claiming behest was not the best sp/hour is because they are all full of ****.

Most people posting here now have no interest in discussing the issue and are now looking for ways to bash me or prove me wrong. But hey it's their time and they can use it how they like.

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behest wasnt the best sp per hour, so your the one full of it

were you getting 30k+ per hour in behest? i dont think so
end of story

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I would gladly try anything that gives the same sp/hour behest did pre-patch. But guess what? It doesn't exist after the patch.

Behest wasn't nerfed? Behest was probably the biggest SP nerf of them all. If they put it the way it was it was they still nerfed from what it was in 1.17c. So Yoshi lied.

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Have you tried every way to level since the patch? Have to done leves? Have you been in a grinding party for a few hours? Have you gone and done the quests in the cities that give a good bonus?

If you have not tried them on your own, not listening to everyone else, but trying on your own then you don't know if it exists.

I did feel bad for ya, but now it seems more like people are trying to help you (as rude as people are being) and you don't want to admit this far into the thread that maybe you do have other options. You keep using the same thing over and over as your big evidence that Yoshi lied: Behest

Well I'm sorry to say, but Behest =/= FFXIV, there is a whole other world out there.


Good luck. :(

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Not to Mention Grinding is " Continuous" Behest and leve's are not that's why Grind partyies will always dish out the best sp by the time you reach behest time or leve time

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That's great Star. Your experience vastly differs from mine but I am glad that works out for you.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I would gladly try anything that gives the same sp/hour behest did pre-patch. But guess what? It doesn't exist after the patch.

Behest wasn't nerfed? Behest was probably the biggest SP nerf of them all. If they put it the way it was it was they still nerfed from what it was in 1.17c. So Yoshi lied.

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Yoshi didn't lie. As it has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, he clearly stated that there would be balances to the system. Exploits have been dealt with. And I imagine the reason behind the timer for Behest is to stop the same people from finishing a behest, running back, and doing it again when there are other people waiting to do it too. I imagine in the future the Behests will become much more fun with new updates to them. I wish people would stop treating Yoshi like he's destroyed their house and shot their dog even though they refuse to read that he's already said.

With that being said, I have seen no reduction in my overall SP gain. I've been grinding and done two dungeons and I've had no problem getting around the same amount of SP as I did pre-1.18.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Star you are not understanding this. I know there are many ways to get SP, I get that but nothing now gives as much sp/hour as behest did. You and some others may say that is not true but my experiences show otherwise and I told you in the game yesterday about it.

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I know you did, and clearly nothing I say will convince you otherwise sadly