Warriors - How to fix our damage mitigation

Parry won't do anything for Mitigation in the real stuff.

If you want to help WARs get to coil then they need to have Sentinel or something so that they can go easy mode like PLD and not have to rely so much on doing damage and self heals.

But it just goes against the way the class is supposed to be played though. You're supposed to mitigate damage by healing yourself and killing the mob faster. So far that I've seen in Coil, damage goes up the longer the thing is alive.

I have full faith that WAR can tank and efficiently kill just about anything in the hands of a player who understands it's strengths and weaknesses and in a party that understands how their own classes can mitigate damage for the tank and how to maximize their own DPS.

There will be changes to WAR and maybe we'll get Rampart or Sentinel or something. But in the end that one fix isn't suddenly going to make WAR easy mode. You will have to learn to max damage and you will have to learn to max Self heal.

3 head smacker + auto = dead.
so,
How does 2 tanks split damage?
Does paladin tank fine by just standing there?
It is the first time i get annoyed with a job(class), the group were bunch of friends and they QQ'ing at my job (not me) makes me sad...

P.S Spinning boss is very easy kill for warriors out there btw (solo-tank), It just annoyed the crap out of me to have to resort to that type of strategy.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Parry won't do anything for Mitigation in the real stuff.

If you want to help WARs get to coil then they need to have Sentinel or something so that they can go easy mode like PLD and not have to rely so much on doing damage and self heals.

But it just goes against the way the class is supposed to be played though. You're supposed to mitigate damage by healing yourself and killing the mob faster. So far that I've seen in Coil, damage goes up the longer the thing is alive.

I have full faith that WAR can tank and efficiently kill just about anything in the hands of a player who understands it's strengths and weaknesses and in a party that understands how their own classes can mitigate damage for the tank and how to maximize their own DPS.

I'll just wait for you guys to just catch up to me. There will be changes to WAR and maybe we'll get Rampart or Sentinel or something. But in the end that one fix isn't suddenly going to make WAR easy mode. You will have to learn to max damage and you will have to learn to max Self heal.

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With respect, you can't have sentinel. You need something uniquely Warrior. What if a trait provided an absorb shield when you overheal yourself for the amount you healed. Sure, it's RNG, but so is blocking. Or a defensive cooldown that restored your HP to 70% if an attack kills you in the next 5 seconds. Or... etc etc. Just clamouring for one ability from PLD isn't going to kill Warriors. Surely these things fit in with the playstyle, and give you tools. Just saying "Gief sentinel" doesn't work. Rampart is small enough to smooth out damage if you need it, it would be cool if that was cross-class. Parry is a mechanic that gives you block-like mechanics, so it would fit the Warrior flavour to parry a little more.

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Originally Posted by Kommunist

3 head smacker + auto = dead.
so,
How does 2 tanks split damage?
Does paladin tank fine by just standing there?
It is the first time i get annoyed with a job(class), the group were bunch of friends and they QQ'ing at my job (not me) makes me sad...

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It's a shared damage move called Triumverate. You stand together at the front of Hydra and you both take it together. Kinda like how 1000 needles is shared between party members. If there's 4 members that get hit by 1000 needles they will take 250 each.

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Originally Posted by Amayasu

With respect, you can't have sentinel. You need something uniquely Warrior. What if a trait provided an absorb shield when you overheal yourself for the amount you healed. Sure, it's RNG, but so is blocking. Or a defensive cooldown that restored your HP to 70% if an attack kills you in the next 5 seconds. Or... etc etc. Just clamouring for one ability from PLD isn't going to kill Warriors. Surely these things fit in with the playstyle, and give you tools. Just saying "Gief sentinel" doesn't work. Rampart is small enough to smooth out damage if you need it, it would be cool if that was cross-class. Parry is a mechanic that gives you block-like mechanics, so it would fit the Warrior flavour to parry a little more.

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I have Awareness... why not Sentinel?

Do you even cross class? I want my Foresight back. The one with the big Axe on the icon that PLD can use.

I swear I get into these discussions and I wonder if we're talking about the same game.

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Originally Posted by Kommunist

3 head smacker + auto = dead.
so,
How does 2 tanks split damage?
Does paladin tank fine by just standing there?
It is the first time i get annoyed with a job(class), the group were bunch of friends and they QQ'ing at my job (not me) makes me sad...

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You're doing it wrong.

It's not your class.

The ability that is killing you spreads it's damage amongst the targets it hits. One target; 5k. Two targets; 2.5k each. etc etc. The point of the fight is to use two tanks, who move and work together, to mitigate the damage.

Complaining on the forums that your class is broken while ignoring the fundamental mechanics of the fight you're complaining about is not helping your class.

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Originally Posted by Amayasu

You're doing it wrong.

It's not your class.

The ability that is killing you spreads it's damage amongst the targets it hits. One target; 5k. Two targets; 2.5k each. etc etc. The point of the fight is to use two tanks, who move and work together, to mitigate the damage.

Complaining on the forums that your class is broken while ignoring the fundamental mechanics of the fight you're complaining about is not helping your class.

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I'm not really complaining, and didn't know you were meant to split the damage. Notwithstanding this, I was simply throwing it out there whether paladin solo tank it fine.

Anyways, WAR is cool, its fun. But the difference atm is enough for me to switch to a paladin. What I mean by this is, my friends currently prefer a fresh paladin tank over me! True story.

Now, they can do w/e they want with WAR, I can always have fun on it when I over gear content.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I have Awareness... why not Sentinel?

Do you even cross class?

I swear I get into these discussions and I wonder if we're talking about the same game.

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There's no talking to you, is there?

I'm in favour of Warrior buffs. I'm against expanding the cross-class toolset to include massively powerful abilities - these are what work to make classes unique. There are many options for mechanics and abilities that would massively compliment the Warrior's core mechanics while feeling unique. You've ignored them in favour of reiterating that Sentinel is cool.

Would having Sentinel make all of your problems disappear?

This is what happened in and ruined class difficulty in WoW. People expect to mash buttons and not strategically use their abilities then cry when something goes wrong or someone has an ability that they don't. Stop whining. Square Enix should know better than giving in to the cry babies and making everything noob worthy.:p

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Originally Posted by Kommunist

Notwithstanding this, I was simply throwing it out there whether paladin solo tank it fine.

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I don't think so, I've tanked it a few times now as a Paladin, and when we messed up tank movement i'd eat the full hit and take a huge amount of damage. Ultimately it's a mechanic meant to force multiple tanks.

Try again with an off tank and you'll be fine chap.

As an aside, i'm also levelling my Marauder for the Warrior job. I know Paladins are in a better place at the moment, i'd like to see Warriors buffed, but it looks fun and it's still a very young game; things can and will change.