Dark Devices - Phase 1 Exploit

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Originally Posted by Dantes

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I think you have a half-truth there. The designers of this FATE definitely intended the enemies to hinder progress, and absolutely intended for them to be killed repeatedly as you're looking for the objective enemies, but I don't think they anticipated 50+ people bum-rushing it for weeks on end. Just like how the servers were having trouble, just like how the Duty Finder has had issues, I think this too is a matter of scale and of their not anticipating enough people there at one time to allow for this to happen.

In a world where FFXIV: ARR started with a slow burn instead of a large bang I don't think we would have seen this become the divisive topic that it is.

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Originally Posted by Tsunenori

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I can accept your point.
If that's the whole of it, I still don't think that what has resulted is an exploit. If it does move it into the territory of exploit, doesn't that move us into an era where we have to manage how many players are participating at once in any one event? I'm not trying to be dramatic but I'd like to avoid a scenario in which I must wonder if I'm participating in an exploit because the speed at which an objective is being completed is "too fast" since more players than expected are participating at once.

What a joy kill.

It doesn't harm anything, and we still went and completed the other FATEs in the area - sheesh. Like that extra 10 minutes would be spent doing dungeons...riiiiight.

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Originally Posted by Dantes

...doesn't that move us into an era where we have to manage how many players are participating at once in any one event?

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I think that's probably the best solution, yes. I've only done the FATE once, but I liked the spirit of it and of the whole chain. I'd rather see FATEs scale dynamically based on the amount of players involved rather than see this FATE and all others like it completely destroyed or nerfed into the ground, and I think they've said that they're looking into ways they can do that as well. This should, hopefully, prevent this from being an issue in the future where instead of having 70 players in a FATE designed for 20, you'll have 70 players in a FATE that scales for 70. It would also cut out a lot of this abhorrent behavior surrounding the whole thing, which is my main issue if I'm honest.

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Originally Posted by neverendingxsin

Why do you care so much? its not an exploit at all. it would be no different than pulling an entire zone and AOEing them down.


Seriously you people will call ANYTHING that others find as a good way to gain XP as an exploit or something that needs fixing.

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And people like you will justify things that don't function as intended all day long if they're to your benefit. I'm guessing you did AK speed runs as well.

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Originally Posted by Senuska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit...line_gaming%29



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exploit

Simply put, the players are taking advantage of a poor game design in a way that was not intended.

Thus it is an exploit. No ’if’s, ’and’s or ’but’s about it.

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Yet after they fix it and find another FATE to "take advantage" of, at that point it is exploiting as the development team has made their views clear on the subject. It's kinda like people finding alternative ways to speed run AK after it was clearly said that skipping trash was not the intended way of progressing through the dungeon. Those people that continued to circumvent this in a different way should be suspended.

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Originally Posted by Badger

"Clever use of game mechanics" is code for "something that is probably an exploit but I'm too dishonest with myself and others to admit that I am exploiting."

People sit in groups and camp this spot waiting for it to pop so they can earn a quick 245,000 XP. These are people who aren't doing any other FATEs or dungeons in the meantime because of this low hanging fruit. There is no reasonable justification for the obscene amount of XP this FATE gives over every other fate in the game. Exploiting is bad, mm'kay?

I won't stop until it's fixed. I don't care if I piss off a few people who lack integrity in the process. Thanks for the bump!

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@U Screen Shot or it didn't happen.

On my server every fate party, even the ones built with classes in mind specifically to get the most out of DD, wait in town and go from fate to fate till DD pops.
No one who is farming DD that hard is going to sit the long amount of time it takes for DD to repop, and miss all of the exp from other fates.

@B I won't stop using it, because it does not need to be fixed. I don't care if it pisses off one guy in the process.

INB4 you preach at me for leveling up with it. I haven't gained one drop of exp from DD. I was 50 before I knew it existed. I've only used it for spiritbonding as of now.

I will use it for my next class though, please look forward to it.

you guys do know that EVERY time you reply to this guy keeps him at the top of the list and the devs well see whats goin on....

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This is 95% of my issue with it.
I couldn't care any less about anyone's, including my own, xp gain rate. Call me old school, but I grew up (I literally grew up) playing FFXI from launch until around 2010/11. I was ok with slowly leveling in Valkurm Dunes. I even remember trying to reach the old level cap in Bibiki Bay fighting Dhalmel. So leveling slowly is just part of a FF game to me.
What I do care about is common courtesy and decency. If I see a group of other people working together to accomplish something constructive, like xping, I'm not going to go over and ruin it. Also, if someone ruins my opportunity out of ignorance, I'm not going to yell at them. Both sides could use more patience with, and consideration for, the other.
The other 5% of my issue is with SE's silence on whether or not this is working as intended. That silence has contributed its share to the behavior as its enabled both sides to feel they're right and the other is full idiots.

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Originally Posted by Dantes

That silence has contributed its share to the behavior as its enabled both sides to feel they're right and the other is full idiots.

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The story of human history is summarized in this sentence. Anyway, SE was fairly quick to act about Amdapor Keep speed runs, so I'm willing to bet we'll see something about this (or won't see something) within another week or so. Until then I'm just staying away from the whole thing in the game and letting everyone involved fight each other over it.

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Originally Posted by Dantes

I'm always open to the idea that I could be wrong, but nothing about this screams exploit. Does it scream cheap and ridiculously easy? ... these fates didn't create themselves, this way accidentally.

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Come on now. This is the same logic used by the people defending the speed run exploit. "They designed that way, and while it is cheap and easy it's totally intended!" Wrong. This is wrong too, and is causing problems on servers between people trying to do the even the way it is meant to be done (read: FATE objectives) and the people trying to farm 20x more XP than any other fate in the game (to my knowledge) can provide.

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Originally Posted by jdlswan

you guys do know that EVERY time you reply to this guy keeps him at the top of the list and the devs well see whats goin on....

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Don't talk about it, someone might find out we're exploiting! If you are so sure this is a legitimate thing, why are you afraid of other people bumping it?