M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

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Originally Posted by sharknado

Both healers and tanks are void of bigger responsibilities. Tanks are hard to kill and can compensate for a weaker healer. Good healers can compensate for noob tank and so on. It works, but it's not something for competitive content or competitive WoW-style MMO.

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They aren’t remotely compensating for each other when one of the two just does both roles by itself and the other is inferior in literally every conceivable category

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Why has this not happened for tanks then

If what you say with healers actually happened right now people would be kicking tanks left right and centre from M3 because the tank doing the buster wrong kills half the party

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Most tank busters can kill a dps if the tanks dont do their job and half of them can wipe the group. Looking forward to seeing tanks reduced to 1 button spam and 25 mitigation buttons. /s

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They aren’t remotely compensating for each other when one of the two just does both roles by itself and the other is inferior in literally every conceivable category

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Ah, i disagree.... We can Esuna better than a Bard XD

People acting like this is proof that healer balance is bad. Guys, we already knew that.

I'll be a lot more concerned for the immediate state of game balance when this becomes the standard comp.
People can go on and on about how "easy" it would be to replicate this.
PF is constantly pushing new strats because it's "easy", but why are they not recruiting this comp?
Because taking healers is just easier for your average PF.

Changes need to happen, but as-is people are going to continue using the default comp. You're not seeing world racers run 4 tanks. You're not gonna see people tackling the next Ultimate with no healers during prog.
The case is also a lot different when not having the standard comp causes heavier RNG with mechanics that normally spawn on the missing roles.

I...I have the feeling this will backfire and somehow end up with the next tier of content having so much damage everywhere and unavoidable raidwide damage that will leave my SMN/Picto/BLM at 5% HP constantly if the healers are not spamming cures xD

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Originally Posted by KariArisu

People acting like this is proof that healer balance is bad. Guys, we already knew that.

I'll be a lot more concerned for the immediate state of game balance when this becomes the standard comp.
People can go on and on about how "easy" it would be to replicate this.
PF is constantly pushing new strats because it's "easy", but why are they not recruiting this comp?
Because taking healers is just easier for your average PF.

Changes need to happen, but as-is people are going to continue using the default comp. You're not seeing world racers run 4 tanks. You're not gonna see people tackling the next Ultimate with no healers during prog.
The case is also a lot different when not having the standard comp causes heavier RNG with mechanics that normally spawn on the missing roles.

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Trust me, no healer is in fear of not finding groups to clear with. The problem is that when you are a healer in a normal group your gameplay consists mostly of spamming your singular damage button.

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Originally Posted by royox

I...I have the feeling this will backfire and somehow end up with the next tier of content having so much damage everywhere and unavoidable raidwide damage that will leave my SMN/Picto/BLM at 5% HP constantly if the healers are not spamming cures xD

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That risks a potential for failures that could make people feel bad. They won't do that.
No, what they're going to do is make it so even premade groups can't go into anything without at least one healer unless it's a full Limited Job party.

So this thread asks for content to be tightened around healers being essential and I am just here thinking maybe be careful of what you wish for.

Be careful wishing for what? A fun and fulfilling gaming experience as a healer? I'll wish for that all day, every day.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

So this thread asks for content to be tightened around healers being essential and I am just here thinking maybe be careful of what you wish for.

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Yeah how dare a role ask to actually not just be a system enforced burden and actually wants to meaningfully contribute to the raid