Relic Weapons-Broken Promises

Relic is for the hardcore, not the casual. Get over it. You can easily make 1m+ a day if you don't feel like putting in the time to craft your own weapon and spiritbond your own materia.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

RO is far from dead.

Aion died for other reasons.

Tera died because it was trying to be too western rather than just sticking to it's roots. Seriously, in Korea the main gripes were: 1. It was too western designed. 2. It had lack of end-game content. 3. It's too fast, as in you can finish the damn game very quickly unless you try for the high tier armor.

XIV died because it was broken and they ignored every single aspect of XI rather than building off of it. This is why Lineage II succeeded, because it didn't ignore what it's predecessor did and became a "better" game for back then. RO was the most popular MMO for a long time.

I'm surprised you didn't throw in Maplestory with that logic, it had worse grinds for certain things yet it topped the charts until they started fucking it up.

You forgot to mention SWTOR and Rift dying off too.

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RO is long dead. It's F2P with a cash shop now, and has been for like 3 years now.

SWTOR and Rift are Western MMOs and are dying for completely different reasons.

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Originally Posted by Grimwald

RO is long dead. It's F2P with a cash shop now, and has been for like 3 years now.

SWTOR and Rift are Western MMOs and are dying for completely different reasons.

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All MMOs die for their own reasons, not because they're Asian or Western. Tera's case isn't because of the game largely as it's a different style, it's because of lack of content (universal death kiss) and trying to design it to match western MMOs, which koreans don't care too much for, which is exactly why Tera is doing ok in NA/EU.

Lots of MMOs went F2P with a cashshop even when they weren't dying because it attracts more people "free MMO? fuck yeah GW2 bring it on!" because gamers of this generation have proven they're more than willing to waste money on standard items and features in a game via DLC/Cashshop..companies see $$ signs.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

I have to say as unbalanced as that game was, along with terrible RNG.

War of Emperium is by far the most fun guild siege i have ever played in MMO career, i have never spent so much time farming 0.1% droprate crap to improve my character, spent so much time farming supplies for WoE for nothing but just for the enjoyment of the war..

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Funny thing is that I had no issues killing stuff in RO waiting for a damn card to drop, yet here in XIV I get bored in 20 minutes by just trying to get Karakul Fleece. At least farming mats from mobs was somewhat fun in RO.

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Originally Posted by Wyyote

Man I hope legendary weapons require relics :)

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Haha that would be ironic!

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

Relic is for the hardcore, not the casual. Get over it. You can easily make 1m+ a day if you don't feel like putting in the time to craft your own weapon and spiritbond your own materia.

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relic is for me. i have it. i'm hardcore. i'm getting more.

the current use of materia is still stupid and unbalanced. it's poor design.

get over it.

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

In XI relics were roughly 200M (currency, assuming you didn't farm them yourself) plus you had to put in a lot of work farming items you couldn't just purchase. Here a relic costs you ~20-60M (assuming you don't farm the mats yourself and just buy double melded weapon + currency) and you have to do a few fights. Nothing is worth changing on XIV relic quests, it's already a walk in the park.

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the examples aren't equivocal. in XI, relics blew everything else out of the water by a very large margin and were far and away the best weapons you could get for *years*

in XIV, the margin is slight. they're essentially only as much of an upgrade over garuda weapons as garuda weapons are over moogle weapons. it's a tiny step forward. comparing the two is silly.

and why are so many people who haven't made any progress on relic saying it's so easy? i'm not about to call it the hardest thing on earth, but do you have any experience with this at all? you do realize how few NA LSs have relic at this point, yes? no? o.O

seriously, you guys. if relic is such a walk in the park- where's yours?

Not to side track

(Totally agree that Double meld portion of relic is TERRIBLY balanced and needs to be re-worked)

But Verily, have any tips for Ifrit Extreme? Set-up, gear or skillwise? Besides the obvious "Don't mess up!" haha

The point of relics is not for everyone to get them. Sure if it means only the no lifes and rich people get them, then deal with it. Your not hardcore enough to look past the gil to make it, then you shouldnt get the strongest weapon in the game. Tired of people bitching about how the whole server cant get a relic. Some should be more expensive and harder to get, because some are just flat out better then others. THIS IS THE STRONGEST WEAPON IN THE GAME, AND YOUR COMPLAINING THAT YOU HAVENT GOTTEN IT IN LESS THEN 60 DAYS! Shut up

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Originally Posted by Quatre

Not to side track

(Totally agree that Double meld portion of relic is TERRIBLY balanced and needs to be re-worked)

But Verily, have any tips for Ifrit Extreme? Set-up, gear or skillwise? Besides the obvious "Don't mess up!" haha

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you can run it with a lot of different setups. some people use mostly monk dps for fists of wind to help dodge better, some people go heavy on warriors due to the huge range of their aoe, we use only 1 warrior and otherwise stack dragoons for their good single target and great aoe. whatever party composition you use, just make sure you're able to break at least 1 horn or ifrit can fill the entire arena with plumes and you'll die.

assuming you're breaking at least one horn, the rest of the fight is just about avoiding damage and burning down nails.

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Originally Posted by nvidianello

THIS IS THE STRONGEST WEAPON IN THE GAME, AND YOUR COMPLAINING THAT YOU HAVENT GOTTEN IT IN LESS THEN 60 DAYS! Shut up

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actually only takes about a week per relic if you're diligent. and no, i'm complaining that the way they're using materia is stupid. i've provided a fairly detailed analysis of why, too. rather than just rehashing everything everyone else is saying, why don't you address my points about economy, inflation, materia rarity and gil sinks?

Sorry im just tiredo f this same old complaining about relics. They are really not even hard to get. Especially after you get your first one. The gil sink is important...we are still inflated. The undercutting is helpping us get to a regular economy. And I fear that in 2.0 there is going to be a huge lack of gil in the market...this is why im saving alot before that happens :D