A new tactic for the dissatisfied

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Pretty much, I'm still waiting on either Jojoya or Renathras to give me evidence that steam players play differently than Standalone players, and by evidence, I dont mean "my friends do this" I mean actual evidence.

I have a feeling I'll wait for a very long time, I have done my part and showed evidence of my claim, let's see theirs.

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I am also waiting for ren to provide me evidence that people like the current healers after I provided him evidence of crashing job satisfaction after the 5.0 changes

So far all I’ve got is “that data is out of date”

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I am also waiting for ren to provide me evidence that people like the current healers after I provided him evidence of crashing job satisfaction after the 5.0 changes

So far all I’ve got is “that data is out of date”

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Sure seems like Ren has a lot of "data" to show, I will be waiting for it since he seems to have all of it and he seems to know it better than us and others

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Pretty much, I'm still waiting on either Jojoya or Renathras to give me evidence that steam players play differently than Standalone players, and by evidence, I dont mean "my friends do this" I mean actual evidence.

I have a feeling I'll wait for a very long time, I have done my part and showed evidence of my claim, let's see theirs.

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They wear a Moogle head. Never take seriously anyone who uses a Moogle or Fat Chocobo head.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Except you are the one pretending that they are different, the burden is actually on you, not me, gamers are gamers, be it on steam or any other pc platform, you can stop with that, it makes no sense.

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I think I can rest my case now.

Not everyone who plays considers themselves a gamer, nor does everyone who considers themselves a gamer play the same way.

Need evidence? No need to look any farther than these forums and even in this thread.

You can stop with your own nonsense now.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Pretty much, I'm still waiting on either Jojoya or Renathras to give me evidence that steam players play differently than Standalone players, and by evidence, I dont mean "my friends do this" I mean actual evidence.

I have a feeling I'll wait for a very long time, I have done my part and showed evidence of my claim, let's see theirs.

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Could you link back to your proof that all gamers are the same? I can't seem to find it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I think I can rest my case now.

Not everyone who plays considers themselves a gamer, nor does everyone who considers themselves a gamer play the same way.

Need evidence? No need to look any farther than these forums and even in this thread.

You can stop with your own nonsense now.

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It's ok dont worry, I can rest my case too with this :

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Originally Posted by Saraide

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Let's face it, even if there is a decent sized portion of the game's population that is wants to see improvements, even if that entire group banded together and created one mega petition, nothing would come of it.

People are rarely interested in making the effort to prevent issues from arising, but when the issues has become a problem, often there's motivation.

I understand that there's a lot of impassioned people who truly want to see improvements, so this might be hard, but this is one of the faster remedies. Give up hoping for change, give up asking for change. Leave things be, and encourage them to stay the same and continue down the path they're continuing. The faster you allow the situation to fester the faster you'll get your results of change when the issues you find troublesome reach the point where they can no longer be ignored.

I don't personally hate the game, but there's a lot of improvements I'd like that I know have no chance of ever being added to the game as it stands currently. Keep playing and doing whatever you enjoy in the game or quit if there's nothing left for you, while supporting the game's current path. Hope for the worst and encourage it because the sooner it occurs the sooner you'll see change.

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I feel like it would take them to not make savage content or to install an easy anti cheat to really fumble this game cuz savage and modding are the two big pillars that keep this game going during patches... I doubt this game will suffer any major player lose for the years to come but that's just me guessing.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's ok dont worry, I can rest my case too with this :

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But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Both sides can be convinced they're right but neither will ever be able to provide proof. Why?

Because SE doesn't release demographic information for FFXIV. They also don't release active player counts.

Here's a link to an article with some general statistics across the gaming industry, though not all of what they reference is specific to 2023:

https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/gamer-demographics/

Here's some Steam statistics as of 2022.

https://sidetrain.com/guides/steam-u...hic-statistics

I could get a brief glance at the 2023 from Statista.com before a pop-up window blocks them because of a paywall.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...r-share-by-age
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...hare-by-gender

If I can remember correctly, age demographics were roughly 5% 18-19, 33% 20-29, 34% 30-39, 20% 40-49 with the remainder over 50. US user by gender was about 80% male to 20% female (compared to the PlayToday international numbers of 70% male to 30% female).

The best I can find for demographics for FFXIV come from a quoted 2022 NHK poll (NHK is Japan's public media organization).

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According to a poll by NHK, the demographics of people who play FFXIV are 49.2% female, 50.8% male.

Age groups are as follows:
~19 years old: 3.7%
20-29: 38.2%
30-39: 39.7%
40-49: 15.5%
50-59: 2.6%
60+: 0.4%

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While the age groups more or less align with Steam, the gender split does not.

So it appears that Steam users are 70/30 male to female and PS4/5 users 59/41 male to female. If those numbers are assumed to be representative of those using those platforms to play FFXIV as well, what is left to explain how FFXIV gets to 51/49 male to female? The standalone PC group. That would have to be predominantly female to get the gender ratio to match what is reported for the game.

Do you believe both genders are going to have the same gaming habits by age considering women are still generally burdened with most of the child raising and household management duties?

Everyone can drag their proof out. None of it means anything because we'll are still making assumptions that may or may not be accurate. Only SE knows what is happening and they're not talking.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Both sides can be convinced they're right but neither will ever be able to provide proof. Why?

Because SE doesn't release demographic information for FFXIV. They also don't release active player counts.

Here's a link to an article with some general statistics across the gaming industry, though not all of what they reference is specific to 2023:

https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/gamer-demographics/

Here's some Steam statistics as of 2022.

https://sidetrain.com/guides/steam-u...hic-statistics

I could get a brief glance at the 2023 from Statista.com before a pop-up window blocks them because of a paywall.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...r-share-by-age
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...hare-by-gender

If I can remember correctly, age demographics were roughly 5% 18-19, 33% 20-29, 34% 30-39, 20% 40-49 with the remainder over 50. US user by gender was about 80% male to 20% female (compared to the PlayToday international numbers of 70% male to 30% female).

The best I can find for demographics for FFXIV come from a quoted 2022 NHK poll (NHK is Japan's public media organization).



While the age groups more or less align with Steam, the gender split does not.

So it appears that Steam users are 70/30 male to female and PS4/5 users 59/41 male to female. If those numbers are assumed to be representative of those using those platforms to play FFXIV as well, what is left to explain how FFXIV gets to 51/49 male to female? The standalone PC group. That would have to be predominantly female to get the gender ratio to match what is reported for the game.

Do you believe both genders are going to have the same gaming habits by age considering women are still generally burdened with most of the child raising and household management duties?

Everyone can drag their proof out. None of it means anything because we'll are still making assumptions that may or may not be accurate. Only SE knows what is happening and they're not talking.

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what the actual hell are you talking about age ranges LOL and what does this have to do with steam users playing games differently than standalone users ?

just stop lmao, what a waste of time

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Both sides can be convinced they're right but neither will ever be able to provide proof. Why?

Because SE doesn't release demographic information for FFXIV. They also don't release active player counts.

Here's a link to an article with some general statistics across the gaming industry, though not all of what they reference is specific to 2023:

https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/gamer-demographics/

Here's some Steam statistics as of 2022.

https://sidetrain.com/guides/steam-u...hic-statistics

I could get a brief glance at the 2023 from Statista.com before a pop-up window blocks them because of a paywall.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...r-share-by-age
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...hare-by-gender

If I can remember correctly, age demographics were roughly 5% 18-19, 33% 20-29, 34% 30-39, 20% 40-49 with the remainder over 50. US user by gender was about 80% male to 20% female (compared to the PlayToday international numbers of 70% male to 30% female).

The best I can find for demographics for FFXIV come from a quoted 2022 NHK poll (NHK is Japan's public media organization).



While the age groups more or less align with Steam, the gender split does not.

So it appears that Steam users are 70/30 male to female and PS4/5 users 59/41 male to female. If those numbers are assumed to be representative of those using those platforms to play FFXIV as well, what is left to explain how FFXIV gets to 51/49 male to female? The standalone PC group. That would have to be predominantly female to get the gender ratio to match what is reported for the game.

Do you believe both genders are going to have the same gaming habits by age considering women are still generally burdened with most of the child raising and household management duties?

Everyone can drag their proof out. None of it means anything because we'll are still making assumptions that may or may not be accurate. Only SE knows what is happening and they're not talking.

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You start by saying both sides can be right and say there's no way of confirming who is, then proceed to try anyways.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

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Yes, very much. It doesn't matter what evidence you present, none of it will be taken seriously. Meanwhile, they can present no evidence and believe that everyone must agree to them and anyone who does not has to prove the negative.

Worse, many forget when they ARE given evidence, or ignore it. All but one of the claims in this thread I provided evidence to in past discussions, yet people bring them up insisting it never happened. They disagreed with what was presented, and so concluded nothing was presented.

But keep up the good fight. I honestly don't get why some people are so ideologically consumed that they think that way, but hey, it is what it is. You've already been throw into the box with me as persona non grata, though, so don't expect them to listen.