Need help / advice for this tank roulette situation

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Originally Posted by Awha

Person that finishes a fight that could have been avoided if they had taken the high ground is just as much at fault as the person who started the fight in my opinion.

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Maybe we don't want to take the high ground anymore because we are tired that they always do such things and get away with it.
You want to have the tank to "act like a leader" and take responsibility regardless, yet the moment they are acting and dictate the pace, they apparently become tyrants and "holding the whole team hostage".

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Maybe we don't want to take the high ground anymore because we are tired that they always do such things and get away with it.
You want to have the tank to "act like a leader" and take responsibility regardless, yet the moment they are acting and dictate the pace, they apparently become tyrants and "holding the whole team hostage".

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No, they want the tank to be the leader but run the dungeon a specific way, even if they're not comfortable or able to do so.

If I have a shoddily geared healer or DPS you can bet your butt I'm not wall pulling.

I have a feeling they're specifically talking about max level dungeons though. My personal experience is leveling content. When I played tank at endgame, you didn't wall pull until you outgeared the dungeon and even then holding aggro was a pain in the rear.

Besides. Ooh a dungeon takes more than five minutes to run. Why the hell play the game if you want everything done in five minutes? So you can get back to sitting around complaining there's nothing to do?

Duty first, party second, ego third.

I will complete my duty to the best of my ability, if my party fails me, then its time to look out for #1.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

honestly, even bad groups shouldn't have issues with the first two (the little guys right outside spawn and the two big guys) mobs if the healer focuses on healing and uses their kit

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Healer never focuses on healing on those pulls. Green mage go brrr. That's how tanks die. I've yet to go in that dungeon where the tank's pulled two groups and NOT had a wipe or a near wipe due to "healer go brrr".

It works anywhere else in the dungeon. Just not there lol.

It's funny to see how many players think that tank's job is to pull.
Tank's job is to tank. The irony. Pulling can be done by anyone. If someone pulls before you, accidentally or not, your job is to get aggro asap and tank it. It's so easy to get aggro right now, it's not even funny. There shouldn't be pretty much any case where someone is pulling before you, because you should be ahead of everyone else as a tank.
If your ego can't handle someone else pulling adds for you - maybe it's time to switch class. Refusing to take aggro of someone else is refusing to do your job as a tank. So called "teaching a lesson" is considered as griefing and is reportable, so make sure you keep that in mind if the idea of becoming a "teacher" ever comes to you.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

It's funny to see how many players think that tank's job is to pull.
Tank's job is to tank. The irony. Pulling can be done by anyone. If someone pulls before you, accidentally or not, your job is to get aggro asap and tank it. It's so easy to get aggro right now, it's not even funny. There shouldn't be pretty much any case where someone is pulling before you, because you should be ahead of everyone else as a tank.
If your ego can't handle someone else pulling adds for you - maybe it's time to switch class. Refusing to take aggro of someone else is refusing to do your job as a tank. So called "teaching a lesson" is considered as griefing and is reportable, so make sure you keep that in mind if the idea of becoming a "teacher" ever comes to you.

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It's the tanks job to pull because the tank is the only one that will survive the result of pulling, and the tanks CDs that will often determine what kind of pull can be reasonably healed through in lower level content. It's not some weird coincidence that tanks go first and pull in every trinity based MMORPG; pulling is absolutely their job.

And also, not picking up the adds right away isn't any more against the ToS than DPS pulling. Both can be considered griefing based on intent, and in both cases there's no way to prove intent. If the tank is a little slow on the trigger and the DPS eats a round or 2 of autos and dies before all the adds get picked up, then that's just what happened. Good luck reporting that and proving it was malicious.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's the tanks job to pull because the tank is the only one that will survive the result of pulling, and the tanks CDs that will often determine what kind of pull can be reasonably healed through in lower level content. It's not some weird coincidence that tanks go first and pull in every trinity based MMORPG; pulling is absolutely their job.

And also, not picking up the adds right away isn't any more against the ToS than DPS pulling. Both can be considered griefing based on intent, and in both cases there's no way to prove intent. If the tank is a little slow on the trigger and the DPS eats a round or 2 of autos and dies before all the adds get picked up, then that's just what happened. Good luck reporting that and proving it was malicious.

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You brought low level content because it was convenient for your point? I never said anything about low level content. I consider it as a learning ground and not worth the mention. Also funny how you don't even need a tank in most of the lower level duties. (:

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

Context: Tanks pulling single pull, then moving to the next group, stopping just before the next group. I'm getting confused if we're going to pull another and run with the tank, then face pull by accident. Every time I try to clarify with the tank what we're doing, I get scolded / called down for pulling even after I apologize.

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I saw your edit, just wanted to comment here that if a tank does this, they're trolling you. If a tank keeps running after pulling a group, I take it as a sign that they intend to pull more. Stopping just before the next group is a dick move, plain and simple.

As for the "you pull it, you tank it" mentality, it may sometimes have a place if a dps keeps pulling against the wishes of the tank and the healer. But mostly I think it's the tank wanting to feel important by asserting authority over the group. The tank is not the king of the dungeon. In fact I often feel like the healer is the most important role, especially in leveling dungeons, yet you rarely see healers pulling this sort of egotistical nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

You brought low level content because it was convenient for your point? I never said anything about low level content. I consider it as a learning ground and not worth the mention. Also funny how you don't even need a tank in most of the lower level duties. (:

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I brought up lower level content because it's the majority of content in this game, and something you get synched down to regularly even at max level. Can't have a discussion about this without considering low level content.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I brought up lower level content because it's the majority of content in this game, and something you get synched down to regularly even at max level. Can't have a discussion about this without considering low level content.

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So my point stands - you brought it up because it was convenient for your comment. Maybe it's time to stop hiding behind it?
Any adequate human being would understand that low level content is where people learn their jobs and that you don't even have your full kit unlocked.
But if no one is new, nothing changes. Anyone can pull, tanks should tank, DPS do damage, Healer - keep everyone alive and do damage if possible.