Why do people bother dodging aoe during trash pulls?

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Originally Posted by MPK

Mobs build resistance to stun so they won't be permalocked. The most optimal dps wise would still to stand inside the AOE and there's literally no reason not to just eat the aoe since they do no damage.

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By the time they're completely resistant to stun the fights nearly over, assuming the group is optimized for speed. If you're not doing a speed run then min/maxing uptime like this doesn't really matter.

Besides, a lot of AoE's have effects like stun and knockback anyways, so letting them hit you will screw up your DPS even worse.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

By the time they're completely resistant to stun the fights nearly over, assuming the group is optimized for speed. If you're not doing a speed run then min/maxing uptime like this doesn't really matter.

Besides, a lot of AoE's have effects like stun and knockback anyways, so letting them hit you will screw up your DPS even worse.

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It's not speed running this thread is aimed at your average player you will find duty roulette.

You are incorrect in your last statement, none of the AOEs in the current expert dungeons have a stun or a knockback and it's very rare for a trash aoe to have one in any dungeon

The purpose of this thread is to let people know that AOEs are safe to eat and let bad players know it's the optimal thing to do

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Originally Posted by MPK

It's not speed running this thread is aimed at your average player you will find duty roulette.

You are incorrect in your last statement, none of the AOEs in the current expert dungeons have a stun or a knockback and it's very rare for a trash aoe to have one in any dungeon

The purpose of this thread is to let people know that AOEs are safe to eat and let bad players know it's the optimal thing to do

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Too vague. All DPS needlessly eating every single AoE is going to force the healer to use GCDs to keep everyone alive.

Everyone should avoid AoE's when they can, and in the vast majority of situations they can without losing any uptime.

If you're hardcasting, can't move and know you'll live THEN it's generally fine to just take the hit and save your GCD.

Your thread doesn't spell out what the optimal course of action actually is, it just encourages people to be lazy.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Too vague. All DPS needlessly eating every single AoE is going to force the healer to use GCDs to keep everyone alive.

Everyone should avoid AoE's when they can, and in the vast majority of situations they can without losing any uptime.

If you're hardcasting, can't move and know you'll live THEN it's generally fine to just take the hit and save your GCD.

Your thread doesn't spell out what the optimal course of action actually is, it just encourages people to be lazy.

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If you get to a point where you see 5 aoes in a pull there's something wrong with the pt

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

I wish that website would be taken down already.
What happened to, you know, having fun? Who cares how much damage you do. So tired of people always in a rush in casual content, so boring. This is borderline elitist behavior imo, because then such people will bash at you or even kick you because you don't meet their "standards".

Savage content is probably the only place where I'd accept DPS actually trying to do as much damage as they can.

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Literally no one cares about logs for dungeons. It amuses me that people think individuals that actively use The Website That Shall Not Be Named are using it to look at dungeon runs.

It also amuses me that people who make the “what happened to just having fun” argument seem to think that only their definition of fun is applicable to the entire playerbase. For quite a portion of it, analyzing personal performance and min-maxing their jobs is the fun aspect of the game.

People are probably “in a rush” during dungeons because they’ve already done said dungeon 500 times, and they kind of stop being interesting at that point. If I’m just looking to get my tomes and get out, I’m not particularly in the mood to sightsee or spend half an hour in an Expert dungeon that takes half that time to complete. If I’m on an alt relaxing and doing the MSQ, then I’m far more willing to take my time in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by MPK

bruh I only made this thread because I had to start doing expert dungeons again to cap on my tomes. I play whm/sch to skip the queue and I never had to use a GCD heal for any trash pulls ever idk what kinda of players you're playing with

Hmm I see your world is Mateus... Do people do dungeons there naked too? :eek:

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Okay, I believe that you never use a GCD heal. What I don't believe is if you claim to do that WITH melee and tank eating AoEs.

And yes, we run naked and with wings on top of our behinds.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Okay, I believe that you never use a GCD heal. What I don't believe is if you claim to do that WITH melee and tank eating AoEs.

And yes, we run naked and with wings on top of our behinds.

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You're more than welcome to join me in roulettes after reset :O

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

It also amuses me that people who make the “what happened to just having fun” argument seem to think that only their definition of fun is applicable to the entire playerbase. For quite a portion of it, analyzing personal performance and min-maxing their jobs is the fun aspect of the game.

People are probably “in a rush” during dungeons because they’ve already done said dungeon 500 times, and they kind of stop being interesting at that point. If I’m just looking to get my tomes and get out, I’m not particularly in the mood to sightsee or spend half an hour in an Expert dungeon that takes half that time to complete. If I’m on an alt relaxing and doing the MSQ, then I’m far more willing to take my time in dungeons.

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I stopped replying to this thread but I just like how you just took the very first message without reading into the whole thing.
Literally said afterwards that my problem was that people who like to rush things in dungeons and fight for whoever has the best DPS are pushing this onto those who might not find it fun. And then kick or shame them for "underperforming". And I'm not speaking about Expert specifically, I avoid Expert like a plague considering that I know people will rush.

Also pulling slower wouldn't make a run that much longer. AoE skills usually do less damage than single target skills so in the end even if you gather everything and start to AoE there will be only some minutes difference.

If you're tired and bored of the dungeon - don't do it. And no, I don't care about the tomestones.
I've been spamming World of Darkness and even though I've seen it a million times already since the day it came out I'm still not bored of it and do not want to get though it super fast and get out.
I don't understand this whole "I'm tired of doing this dungeon but I'm gonna do it anyway". Oh yeah, so much fun you guys are having.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Literally no one cares about logs for dungeons. It amuses me that people think individuals that actively use The Website That Shall Not Be Named are using it to look at dungeon runs.

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While I don't disagree with the rest of your post, I question why people are even uploading dungeon runs if supposedly not a single person cares. Is it a technical thing where they just upload everything in bulk? I've never used a parser and yet I sometimes find logs of me running dungeons, normal raids and alliance raids.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

While I don't disagree with the rest of your post, I question why people are even uploading dungeon runs if supposedly not a single person cares. Is it a technical thing where they just upload everything in bulk? I've never used a parser and yet I sometimes find logs of me running dungeons, normal raids and alliance raids.

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As far as I understand it, it's just a bulk upload thing. Someone might have it open for like the entire day, then just upload everything all at once and it catches obscure things like dungeons.
I doubt anyone besides people who simply want to challenge themselves to be 100% on every piece of content they do is actually looking at dungeon logs though. I know when we were trialing someone for our static the only thing we cared about was his raid performance, not that Anamesis Anyder he did.