Does anyone actually enjoy guildleves?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I'm just talking about battle classes, because let's face it, the crafting in this game sucks. So yes, Grind > Leves in terms of straight battle classes. You may get a higher craft class than me, but GL doing anything useful as far as battle goes with that crap lol.

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no i wasn't saying that crafting was great. what i said was that going by overall experience leves only take a few hours to complete then you have 30+ hrs left of the 36 hrs and that time can be used in any way you wish. be it battleclass or crafting.

you are also looking at by the end of a 36hr grindfest you are looking at you say 540k sp which is also 5th tier fatigue and only 50% sp gained per mob so at the end you may start off at 15k an hr but would be closer to 7500 at the end of that grind pahse.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no i wasn't saying that crafting was great. what i said was that going by overall experience leves only take a few hours to complete then you have 30+ hrs left of the 36 hrs and that time can be used in any way you wish. be it battleclass or crafting.

you are also looking at by the end of a 36hr grindfest you are looking at you say 540k sp which is also 5th tier fatigue and only 50% sp gained per mob so at the end you may start off at 15k an hr but would be closer to 7500 at the end of that grind pahse.

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True, but I also think that fatigue is a horrible feature and the bane of this game's existence right now. Casuals say that they should have the right to be lazy, well the hardcore players should have to right to be productive. I personally hate crafting, but I love grinding battle classes. Why should I penalized because casuals don't want to be left behind? I honestly feel like this game hurts itself not due to lack of content, but due to lack of fairness. Currently, it's TOO casual friendly that it burdens people that don't have lives (such as myself) and would like to play for 36 hours straight.

Even tho there are guildleaves i personallyhate and avoid them, i do enjoy doing them with friends. Some of them are actually nice.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

True, but I also think that fatigue is a horrible feature and the bane of this game's existence right now. Casuals say that they should have the right to be lazy, well the hardcore players should have to right to be productive. I personally hate crafting, but I love grinding battle classes. Why should I penalized because casuals don't want to be left behind? I honestly feel like this game hurts itself not due to lack of content, but due to lack of fairness. Currently, it's TOO casual friendly that it burdens people that don't have lives (such as myself) and would like to play for 36 hours straight.

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oh i completely feel your pain on fatigue. i usually have at least 6 classes fatigued each reset. that was the reason i started crafting was the only way i could do enough classes in a 7 day period without every class being fatigued. i feel lack of content and lack of fairness both contribute to the issue.

i hate being punished because i enjoy the game too much and at this time have alot of free time. i am on temp layoff due to being an industrial carpenter, but when i get called back i will go back to working for 60+ hrs a week so i will go from way too much to way too little time. i just want content because i have a capped class and have nothing i can do with it besides the nm's and after doing those a few times each they lose the appeal to them.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

I'm just curious, what do you mean?

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Well admittedly it's just my conjecture, but can 20 gigs worth of install data REALLY include as little stuff as we have access to? There's already been plenty of .dat farming and people have found abilities, unreleased classes(some of which have abilities already), and even stuff like NM models before we even got to see them.

I'm guessing that the devs are sitting on Ishgard and many other things right now while they tweak, balance, etc. etc. until they're ready for release, and once that update hits, assuming it isn't on a disc, I really don't think we're going to be downloading a huge file like that.

I could be wrong though, as I don't have any actual proof of anything.

No, I don't enjoy them that much. Too repetitive, and the mob AI is too predictable. The only thing I like about them is the SP I get doing them in large groups, and the gil.

Most Guildleves are a mindless grind. The only reason I would partake in them is for the rewards which were also rather poor. Combine that with the arbitrary limitations to the number of Guildleves allowed per day and you have yourself one majorly broken system.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

Well admittedly it's just my conjecture, but can 20 gigs worth of install data REALLY include as little stuff as we have access to? There's already been plenty of .dat farming and people have found abilities, unreleased classes(some of which have abilities already), and even stuff like NM models before we even got to see them.

I'm guessing that the devs are sitting on Ishgard and many other things right now while they tweak, balance, etc. etc. until they're ready for release, and once that update hits, assuming it isn't on a disc, I really don't think we're going to be downloading a huge file like that.

I could be wrong though, as I don't have any actual proof of anything.

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Hmmm possible. I just thought it was the graphics, cutscenes and whatnot.

But even if that is true, it's possible the response to FFXIV is making them rethink anything they already had in place. Plus any adjustments would need to work correctly with that content.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

No, I don't enjoy them that much. Too repetitive, and the mob AI is too predictable. The only thing I like about them is the SP I get doing them in large groups, and the gil.

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Yeah that's the point. We do something we absolutely hate just because the SP bribe.

NO, love party play, hate leaves ...i mean leves.