Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

Any word on if physick is the same or not?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Except the Enhanced Egi Assault isn't until 74, that would have to be the normal 15% proc.

Enhanced Egi Assault procs Ruin IV @ 100% of the time with Egi Assault, Lv. 74 trait
Enhanced Ruin II procs Ruin IV @ 15% with pet action lv. 62 trait

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If it is 74 it was available then. 73 duty is caped at 74.
But honestly I don't care much. I'm also having some questions on how some stuff works, but it's only 15 days left till see first hand how everything works out without speculation.

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Originally Posted by ShadowYomi

Any word on if physick is the same or not?

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The last photo a while back showed it still being trash and based on MND stat, not so optimistic it'll get changed to INT though.

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Originally Posted by Karshan

If it is 74 it was available then. 73 duty is caped at 74.

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All the players were set to level 73 though so it wasn't capped, but probably when we get to do it (in the expac) then 74 would be the synced level.

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Originally Posted by Len

15% is low, but not low enough to only proc Further Ruin a single time in 6 minutes.

For anyone unfamiliar, this is the video we're referencing: TITANIA E3 SHADOWBRINGERS (NO CLEAR)

Further Ruin procs a single time at 0:24 and then never again for the rest of the fight. :eek:

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What can I say, 15% is 15% lol. It would be silly to have a trait the give 15% and another that gives 100% on the same actions.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

What can I say, 15% is 15% lol. It would be silly to have a trait the give 15% and another that gives 100% on the same actions.

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But at Lv.62 when you learn Ruin IV, that "silly trait" that you also gain is the only way you can use the spell.

I have a feeling they changed Enhanced Ruin II trait to be, "Grants a 15% chance on use of Egi Assault I & Egi Assault II to trigger Further Ruin." ...And then 12 levels later it becomes a 100% chance.

I wouldn't put it past them.

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Originally Posted by Len

But at Lv.62 when you learn Ruin IV, that "silly trait" that you also gain is the only way you can use the spell.

I have a feeling they changed Enhanced Ruin II trait to be, "Grants a 15% chance on use of Egi Assault I & Egi Assault II to trigger Further Ruin." ...And then 12 levels later it becomes a 100% chance.

I wouldn't put it past them.

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The thing is, the tooltip on Enhanced Ruin II still matches the current tooltip it has in game. It doesn't say "Egi Assault I and II", it says pet actions, which includes the assaults, Egi auto attacks, Bahamut and Phoenix's triggered attacks, and all of their respective Enkindle actions. It's more reasonable to assume that the Enhanced Egi Assault tooltip is the one that's wrong here as it says "Egi Actions", which is both too general and doesn't match the gameplay we've seen thus far. It should only refer to Egi Assault I/II based on the trait itself. More importantly, we know there's a line drawn between the Egi and pets in general with the use of those terms in the traits themselves, as well as their names implying they should be thought of independently. Not only is it likely that these traits are not related, it's possible these effects stack. Meaning Egi Assaults have a 15% chance to give two Further Ruin stacks but always give you one. And given how little work was put into changing Bahamut from the other pets in the first place, I think it's a safe bet to assume this hasn't changed either.

That all said, thank god the aetherflow lockouts are gone. That's the only thing I wanted out of Shb SMN to begin with. I'll take not getting a major advantage out of downtime like most classes just to not deal with that crap anymore.

Thanks to all who voted on my sig poll btw.

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Originally Posted by Len

But at Lv.62 when you learn Ruin IV, that "silly trait" that you also gain is the only way you can use the spell.

I have a feeling they changed Enhanced Ruin II trait to be, "Grants a 15% chance on use of Egi Assault I & Egi Assault II to trigger Further Ruin." ...And then 12 levels later it becomes a 100% chance.

I wouldn't put it past them.

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Except the level 80 in the media tour has two traits. One for 15% @ 62 and Egi Assault for 100% @ 74, both separate. I would guess they need to fix the wording in the tooltips. Enhanced Ruin II will be normal in that a pet action has a 15% chance to grant Ruin IV. Enhanced Egi Assault will grant Ruin IV 100% when Egi Assault is used. I watched Larry's video and Garuda gave Ruin IV with just Wind Blade (Auto Attack)

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Originally Posted by ShadowYomi

Any word on if physick is the same or not?

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if no one said anything about that spell since media tour, live letter and E3, that mean it's still shit, don't count on it too much

All I want to know is WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET OUR SHIVA, RAMUH, and LEVIATHAN glamour?!?! They have been promising them since HW and still nothing! And to make it extra sad, the Ramuh one has already been in the game this entire time... WTF!!!

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Originally Posted by MRBJ1978

All I want to know is WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET OUR SHIVA, RAMUH, and LEVIATHAN glamour?!?! They have been promising them since HW and still nothing! And to make it extra sad, the Ramuh one has already been in the game this entire time... WTF!!!

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I want those little shits gone in 6.0, that's why I've given up on caring about egi glamours. :o