DPS is the job of DPS.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I've been healing tanks a long time.

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Okay.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

What other ability in the game gives tanks a perpetual 20% mitigation other than tank stance?

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Are you sure you've been healing a long time? Because i feel like honestly, you should be at least slightly familiar with how tanks work considering how often you have to work with them.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

I'm not a tank main or anything, only really have leveled drk since i was doing it w/ partner, but the general idea i got was that you can drop stance and use your 'cooldowns' to substitute your tank stance and use your damage combo to deal more damage, being in your tank stance lowers your damage by about 20% or so, so being out of this 'stance' removes that penalty entirely, and if you're factoring in that you're using the damage combo which is higher potency vs the enmity combo, of course a greater amount of damage is to be expected over a period of time.

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Depends on the tank. DRK in particular can keep both Grit and Darkside up, which results in no penalty to damage, but no increase either. They stance dance by dropping Grit and activating Blood Weapon to increase their damage. Your point still gets across though, and a DRK will undisputedly cause more damage remaining out of Grit. And to be fair, there was no mention of a tank stance being used. Only that both tanks are mitigating. What I asked though, is what is the other tank doing to cause 1000 more DPS than the other tank if they are both mitigating? If the answer is one is in tank stance, and the other is not, than I get that. And that is precisely why I brought up that the healer likely has to give up their own DPS to keep this tank up.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

To be honest,it may be better applying your heal over time spells(regen/asylum) before bringing out the cure II bat right away...

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I've been healing content for two years. I wouldn't even be participating in this thread and making the statements I'm saying if I didn't know how to use Cure 2. My whole point revolves around the synergy between healers and tanks when running content they can't faceroll, and the lack of emphasis towards group wide DPS. When I see comment like which tank do you prefer, the 2000 or 3000 DPS? I'm honestly like, "Who gives a shit? How's the group performing?"

Uhm...there are still damage penalties in grit.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You mean that the best mitigation is killing things quickly? Don't talk to me like a newbie, I've been healing tanks a long time. Long enough to know that tanks going full on DPS require more heals from me unless incoming damage doesn't beat out the regen ticks, as in the case with over-geared content. This is fine though, so long as they are holding agro. I don't have a e-peen. I couldn't care less about my own DPS because it is not my primary role. If a tank wants to be more defensive, I'll DPS more. If they want to be offensive, I'll heal more. That adaptability is one of the great things about being a healer, and the DPS between the tank and myself will always be around the same.
Also, what other ability in the game gives tanks a perpetual 20% mitigation other than tank stance?

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I'm talking about those magic buttons tanks have that make them take less damage for a period of time. I must admit, I'm surprised you don't seem to be aware of them given the fact you've "been healing tanks for a long time."

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Originally Posted by Misstique

Does healer dps while I'm in tank stance do more overall dps?
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Does staying in dps stance while healer spends more time healing do more dps.

I don't know tbh.

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Tanks lose out on more dps than healers do by staying in tank stance as much as possible. However, if the people in your group know what they're doing, you can have both tanks in dps stance the whole fight and still have both healers focus on dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Misstique

Actually, War defiance doesn't give any additional mitigation. It does give a max 25% hp and does increase healing received by 20%. That being said, it doesn't help when getting hit by a tank buster, hard hitting mobs, etc and is only reliant on either being healed or self healing.

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My question wasn't loaded if anyone takes it that way, and I am curious if there are any abilities other than tank stance that provide a perpetual 20% mitigation. DRK is the only tank I am familiar with.

However, is this information accurate?

Defiance:

Increases maximum HP by 25%, while reducing damage dealt by 20% and increasing enmity.

Increases own HP recovery via healing magic by 20%.

Effect ends upon reuse.

Using certain actions while under the effect of Defiance will increase your Beast Gauge, increasing parry rate to a maximum of 10%. The Beast Gauge returns to 0 when Defiance ends.

Cannot be used with Deliverance.

Shares a recast timer with Deliverance.

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Originally Posted by Misstique

Anyway, I do agree that the whole meta of tanks leaving tank stance to kill things faster is not accurate. It comes down to the mathematics which others I think have already worked out to some extent. Killing all enemies faster as a better form of mitigation is thrown around a lot without the context of how it works in actuality.

With all players of equal skill playing their roles properly, I'm personally not sure what would be more useful. Say for example, I stay in deliverance to increase my dps and my overall dps goes up by "x" amount minus healer dps due to spending time healing more.

Does healer dps while I'm in tank stance do more overall dps?
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Does staying in dps stance while healer spends more time healing do more dps.

I don't know tbh.

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Awesome! You know exactly where I am coming from. I totally get both tanks and healers trying to be as offensive as possible in order to optimize, and kill things efficiently, but the individual mindset in these threads drives me batshit.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Uhm...there are still damage penalties in grit.

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I never said there wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

My question wasn't loaded if anyone takes it that way, and I am curious if there are any abilities other than tank stance that provide a perpetual 20% mitigation. DRK is the only tank I am familiar with.

However, is this information accurate?

Defiance:

Increases maximum HP by 25%, while reducing damage dealt by 20% and increasing enmity.

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Nope. It isn't accurate at all. Warriors get no defensive bonus from their tank stance, just better heals and more HP. the eHP works out to be about the same as the other two's tank stances in most cases, but Warriors, absolutely, 100% do NOT get defense buffs from Defiance. They'd be walking fortresses in tank stance if they did and also had more HP than the other two tanks.

EDIT: On topic, if you're in content that matters to you to clear, DPS is everyone's job. Enmity is everyone's job also, while we're on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Okay.



Are you sure you've been healing a long time? Because i feel like honestly, you should be at least slightly familiar with how tanks work considering how often you have to work with them.

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Really? How long have you been healing them? I've also been posting on internet forums for a long time as well, and can smell a trollish comment a mile away.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

When I see comment like which tank do you prefer, the 2000 or 3000 DPS? I'm honestly like, "Who gives a shit? How's the group performing?"

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Agreed, if the group's doing fine and not wiping over and over for some reason, I'd be totally content of having either regardless of the tank's play-style preferences.
I feel as though heavy pushing for bigger digits (on tank/healer roles) only really can be considered for progression/new difficult content(Ex/Savage) with enrage timers and whatnot, although it does make the easier content a lot swifter to get through if they go the extra mile.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Really? How long have you been healing them? I've also been posting on internet forums for a long time as well, and can smell a trollish comment a mile away.

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Apologies if it came off as trollish, it just sounded quite absurd to myself at the time.
And you've been healing longer than i have, probably.
I'm pretty much a new player with just about a year's play time now.

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Nope. It isn't accurate at all. Warriors get no defensive bonus from their tank stance, just better heals and more HP. the eHP works out to be about the same as the other two's tank stances in most cases, but Warriors, absolutely, 100% do NOT get defense buffs from Defiance. They'd be walking fortresses in tank stance if they did and also had more HP than the other two tanks.

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That's damage dealt by the war.