Tank Scaling still a massive issue

Personally I'm not really concerned about future patches' tank dps scaling. Based on 3.x the devs can't seem to make up their mind about what they want tank dps to be like, and the current small str on vit accs looks like a band aid solution because we're mid patch. I think they work okay for now (slightly less powerful than i270 accs), we're not falling so far behind dps, and if in the future our dps falls far behind other dps jobs or even healers people will definitely come back to reddit and forums and complain, and the devs will try to come up with something again lol.

Just try to maximize what we currently have, pre 4.05 use i270 accs, post 4.05 use fending accs with str melds, and if they change it again just adapt and pick the best option.

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Originally Posted by DacienSanderon

Congrats on reducing healer dps more than your cotank! I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you still would have cleared just fine even if you did 20% less damage. You didn't double your damage by switching out of tank stance. But hey, keep deluding yourself if that makes you feel better. Just don't waste our time with your drivel.

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Well im going to take a wild guess and say that you HAVENT cleared it yet, cause youre one of those players who doesnt clear any relevant content but still wants to chime in with your 2 cents on how tanking is done. Do you even know how healing works in this game? how tanking works? How incoming damage and tank busters work? Did you just make the argument that sitting in tank stance lets healers dps more and that dps makes up for the 1.5k extra dps i pulled over my cotank? No, didnt think so cause youre just a random shitposter who doesnt understand how the game works, and I probably mitigate damage in dps stance better than you anyways lol

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Back in Gordias, there was a significant gap in eHP between PLD and DRK if you take all their toolkit, mainly because PLD could not do well against magic damage. So, on top of PLD doing less damage, they also needed more healing.

Right now, PLD is not bad in the self-healing department. And since the tank stance doesn't directly reduce your attack power, you could technically stack lots of STR for stronger Clemencies. Now, we just need ShO effects to be stronger.

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If that "turtle" functionality is to be locked behind something that so discourages rapidly adapting to incoming damage or would otherwise prevent making the decision between your own damage and healer damage / healer CD case by case, rather than nearly phase by phase due to its massive opportunity cost (thereby making it a once and done deal), I want nothing to do with it.

I like stances—I really do—but not at such massive opportunity costs for making use of that exact mechanic. Sure, their can be banking involved, time investments, resource building specific to the stance, but it can't have such opportunity costs or clunkiness that it both feels and performs badly.

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Originally Posted by Seku

I'm not quite too sure why people are defending the fact that SE is killing tank damage.

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Personally, it's because I don't care about any damage modification based solely on gear. It doesn't change how skilled I am on my rotation or on my cooldowns.
And that's even before mentionning that turtle tanking has more appeal to me since I admit it's only a personnal preference.

If the enmity dump skills are enough, then the main concern of this topic is a non-issue...which it already isn't since we have a huge enmity generation anyway.

I don't understand this vocal minority of tanks who seem to want our damage nerfed.

Finally, a game where tanking doesn't amount to you swinging a foam bat instead of a sword and people are complaining.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I don't understand this vocal minority of tanks who seem to want our damage nerfed.

Finally, a game where tanking doesn't amount to you swinging a foam bat instead of a sword and people are complaining.

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"Finally"

This isn't exactly a new theme. Hell, WoW got rid of that notion like, 4-5 years ago. Every Action MMO has done the same.

No one's saying a tank can't do their fair share, it's when that fair share starts stepping over the boundaries. And frankly, the number ratios are like, nearly the same for heavensward. If the average tank does 2800-3000, then they are doing approximately 60-70% of the higher DPS classes.

Which people seem to be happy with, but for 'some reason' only being able to do that in DPS stance, and DPS stance being discouraged -while actively getting hit in the face- is a no-no.

And people are doing it anyways, so I really am not seeing the issue here.

You can meld 40 STR on your i320 VIT accessories and have a total of 80 STR with your 120+ VIT on the same accessory. What the hell is your gripe? You get your cake and can eat it too. Use Shirk with your co-tank and literally never lose hate, as it gets multiplied by 125% every 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I don't understand this vocal minority of tanks who seem to want our damage nerfed.

Finally, a game where tanking doesn't amount to you swinging a foam bat instead of a sword and people are complaining.

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I don't have a problem with tank damage per se, it's more the notion that dps seems to be the priority for tanking. In my opinion, it should be more important for DPS to actually reach their potential before haranguing tanks about reaching theirs.

Using more enmity combos as dps catch up to you solves the problem.

Instead of adding STR to the accessories, they should have reverted the VIT no longer AP change.
It was an amazing change and they took 10 steps backwards when it was done.

Scaling off of Vit means you could have linear scaling for damage and survivability while also keeping it parallel to the dps who will be stronger. Proper mitigation/survivability should help damage too (in both rotation and stats). tying those things together bridges the disparity between tanks who like to mitigate and those who like to contribute damage as well.

Sure it allows tanks to double dip but it also allows them to manage the scaling to the power they expect of the tanks.