Samurai Discussion

im pretty sure converting 3 sen into kenki is a dps loss over the course of a fight and should be avoided

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Originally Posted by jack891

im pretty sure converting 3 sen into kenki is a dps loss over the course of a fight and should be avoided

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It's been mathed out like mad, use hagakure every chance you get.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

I already factored the potency cost for using Kaiten. For Kaiten to be efficient for the Kenki that we spend on it must provide 240 additional potency. The only Weaponskill that can generate that much potency is Midare Setsugekka with which Kaiten provides +360 potency for a total of 1080. From the second hardest hitting weaponskills (Gekko and Kasha) Kaiten only give +200 potency rendering it inefficient. In other words, you want to use Kaiten only with Midare Setsugekka (and when Hagakure is on cooldown, otherwise convert Sen to Kenki for more Shinten). I did the exact thing in the opener I discussed. Maybe you were confused because I used the name "Iaijutsu" instead of the actual name of the ability. The Iaijutsu I used in the end in combination with Kaiten is Midare Setsugekka.

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Ah yeah that must be it. Just making sure we are on the same page and I'm not missing something! Haha

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

I already factored the potency cost for using Kaiten. For Kaiten to be efficient for the Kenki that we spend on it must provide 240 additional potency. The only Weaponskill that can generate that much potency is Midare Setsugekka with which Kaiten provides +360 potency for a total of 1080. From the second hardest hitting weaponskills (Gekko and Kasha) Kaiten only give +200 potency rendering it inefficient. In other words, you want to use Kaiten only with Midare Setsugekka (and when Hagakure is on cooldown, otherwise convert Sen to Kenki for more Shinten). I did the exact thing in the opener I discussed. Maybe you were confused because I used the name "Iaijutsu" instead of the actual name of the ability. The Iaijutsu I used in the end in combination with Kaiten is Midare Setsugekka.

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Very useful tip. I'll remember this for the rotation on release. Thx^^;

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Originally Posted by jack891

im pretty sure converting 3 sen into kenki is a dps loss over the course of a fight and should be avoided

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Originally Posted by Yorumi

It's been mathed out like mad, use hagakure every chance you get.

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As Yorumi has pointed out Hagakure will bring more DPS according to this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ort=confidence

The only times using Hagakure is a loss is if: You use it with less then 3 Sen open,or you use it when you have more then 40 Kenki. Your goal is to use with 3 Sen and obtain 60 Kenki,as described in the reddit post the general rule to compare Hissatsu: Shinten as 25 Kenki = 300 Potency,meaning 5 Kenki = 60 Potency

My assumption was right. I worked around an opener that takes into account Warrior's "Maim" being cast as the second GCD to apply Slashing Debuff on the target, so that we can start our combo with Hakaze-Jinpu-Gekko and get Higanbana buffed by both Slashing Debuff and Jinpu instead of only Slashing Debuff if we started our rotation with Hakaze-Yukikaze. Here it is:

Hakaze (5K) - Jinpu (10K) - Gekko (20K) - Iaijutsu (Higanbana) (20K) - Hakaze (25K) - Shifu (30K) - Hissatsu: Shinten (5K) - Kasha (15K) - Meikyo Shisui (15K) - Gekko (25K) - Yukikaze (35K) - Hissatsu: Kaiten (15K) - Iaijutsu (Midare Setsugekka) (15K) - Kasha (25K) - Hagakure (45K) - Hakaze (50K) - Hissatsu: Guren (0K) - Jinpu (5K) - Gekko (15K) - Hakaze (20K) - Yukikaze (30K) - Hissatsu: Shinten (5K) - Hakaze (10K) - Shifu (15K) - Kasha (25K) - Hissatsu: Kaiten (5K) - Iaijutsu (Midare Setsugekka) (5K)


Edit: Corrected typo in the rotation

It' s the highest potency opener from all the simulations I have done. Important thing to note: If you plug this opener to the Excel doc made by the Reddit guy, you will get a wrong result because the spreadsheet doesn't take into account WAR's "Maim" and hence it doesn't buff anything with Slashing Resistance up until casting Yukikaze. We are pretty similar to HW Ninja in the sense that our opener will depend upon WAR applying the Slashing Debuff for us so that we don't have to start rotation with Hakaze-Yukikaze and lose potency.

The rotation is not perfect yet and I still have to run multiple simulations with what we learned here. However, if we can say one thing for certain is that Hakaze-Jinpu-Gekko-Iaijutsu (Higanbana) is the best way to start our opener, and then opting for Shifu-Kasha combo, leaving Yukikaze for the end since "Maim" will still be up. So now you have a basic foundation to build on. Where you put Hagakure and Meikyo Shisui in the opener will be the deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by Sai-Kon

It' s the highest potency opener from all the simulations I have done. Important thing to note: If you plug this opener to the Excel doc made by the Reddit guy, you will get a wrong result because the spreadsheet doesn't take into account WAR's "Maim"

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The opener that was posted by Daioh, he is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the 3-Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Maim out of necessity as there is no other way to attain 3 Sen without the use of Yukikaze (regardless of when the warrior uses it during the opener).

Edit: corrected, Maim changed in SB

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Storm's Eye is the Warrior skill that applies the Slashing debuff (not Maim) which is the 3rd GCD. Also in the opener that was posted by Daioh, is prioritizing using Yukikaze due to the Sen needed for Hagakure and not necessarily the debuff. I can see issues of overlapping debuff's in the future due to this. Sam would be overwriting Storm's Eye out of necessity.

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No, it's being changed in Stormblood. Main will apply the debuff.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

No, it's being changed in Stormblood. Main will apply the debuff.

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Ahh thanks for the correction.