Stupid reason to report someone

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Originally Posted by Joeking

I would say its only fair to expect healers to DPS, if and when they can see the numbers the DPS are actually pulling and call them out without getting banned.

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Don't need to parse to get a good idea of when a DPS is outright slacking. It's not usually as obvious as a dancing, jumping, or mid-pull chest-looting healer, but it's not as if the rest of the party can't notice the BLM barely using Enochian, the DRG without BotD, the mobs taking forever to die....

I'm not about getting people banned for being bad, but I certainly don't want to encourage them being willfully lazy.

Even the healer NPCs in this game, when there is no major healing required, resort to doing DPS. A big example is Frey from the DRK quests. Yes, a healer's primary role is to heal, but that doesn't mean if no healing's required you just stand around doing nothing of note. That's just being intentionally lazy, no matter how you try to excuse it.

Not a stupid reason.

Sounds like it was about more than you not dpsing. But seriously, I 100% doubt its the other healer DPSing that is causing you to wipe. It sounds more like a lack of a lot of things, especially you being unable to handle solo healing even though you state you do the runs regularly and it sounds like you get left to solo healing a lot. Making a choice not to DPS as a healer is a selfish one. You really shouldn't be surprised when other players get upset with you. You are not playing the role as it is intended to be played. Your title is "healer" but your role is not just to heal, it is to support your team.

If the team feels you aren't pulling your own weight they can report you. It has been stated in the past and the GMs have said it is reportable.

I think everyone forget the main reason healer have damage abilities, that is to do the MSQ and quest in general.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

I think everyone forget the main reason healer have damage abilities, that is to do the MSQ and quest in general.

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If that were the case, they would only have Stone I-II-III and their equivalent. Nothing in the MSQ requires as potent a spell as Holy, Aero III, Gravity or Bane. In fact, DoTs will rarely see a full tick on any MSQ battle because Stone will kill it faster. Furthermore, if you do Hall of the Novice, you're expressly told to DPS if it's safe.

Someone on the healer forums posted a video where they only healed throughout a Xelphatol run with friends. She literally did nothing for nearly 85% of the run-- even purposely spamming emotes and jumping around to illustrate how useless she was save for very brief instances. I sincerely doubt the developers meant for healers to be doing that. If they did, it's terrible game design. Either make the content hit hard enough healers need to actual heal or keep the current DPSing meta.

I think it's pretty unfair to expect DPS from a healer. Constantly toggling Cleric Stance and casting offensive spells does require more than 10 apm, and let's be real here: That Anime on my second monitor ain't gonna watch itself.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

If a healer has time to stand around, jump around, emote, sit down, make a coffee while waiting to heal, they have time to help dps. If the tank is squishy and constantly dipping in health quickly, then go ahead and pure heal. If DPS stands in AoEs and goes down quickly, their problem. As a healer, it's a matter of laziness with dps. Time to lean, time to clean. If you can stand around for awhile, you can dps.

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Yes, not DPSing when you have more than enough room to is being lazy as a healer. Reporting them for that alone, however, is a huge stretch and frankly makes you the one coming off as a hostile player. Which IS reportable, especially if you start throwing parse numbers at them.

But I don't see 'healer's refusal to DPS' anywhere in the User Agreement that it's a punishable offense. You can ask them to and remove them from the party if they refuse, but reporting them won't get you anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

Healers are expected to DPS

Tanks are expected to DPS

But DPS doesn't have to worry about healing nor tanking.

Interesting game mechanic.

Also, who talks in a guildhest?

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Funny thing.

If you only heal as a healer, you will often have periods where you don't have to cast a single skill in 6-12s. Arguing that not filling that void with filler DPS is a good way to play is absurd. I could, as a DPS player, only press a GCD every 6-12s, but that is in no way a "good" way to play.

And this is the thing that's absurd. No one argues that it's a "good" way to play while afking through most of the fight aside from some healer players. If I'm pulling 45CPM+ on my Bard, is it fine for a healer to do 10CPM because he only wants to heal?

Anyone can play the way the want in DF, and I'm not gonna kick people unless they become a real problem. But if you don't press a single skill within 6s+ intervals then yes, you are borderline useless (or useful?) and don't deserve a single commendation from me.

No one is expecting Healers to try harder than other classes, but most people prefer healers that don't just stand around like idiots either. Of course the same applies for underperforming tanks and DPS, but those 2 groups rarely act entitled about being crap if they purposefully don't press as much buttons as they can.

Yaaaaaay! This discussion again :)

The way I see this thing is that first you learn your role (tank, heal, dps) and then you learn your job. Knowing your role is a part of knowing your job, that's why role comes first. Job duties can often overlap with other roles. This isn't my original idea, I think I bumped into this on these forums. Some simplified examples:

A good tank establishes and holds aggro on the monsters so that the rest of the party can do their own things.
A good paladin tanks well and uses his entire toolkit so that he/she and the entire party takes less damage, thus letting the healers use their mp for damage instead of healing. Good aggro control also lets the pld use more damage rotations.

A good damage dealer knows the rotation and does positionals for good dps so that dps checks are met and the healers/tanks resources don't run dry because fights take too long.
A good ninja handles the dps duties and helps the tank with the aggro so that the tank can put out more dps. The nin also keeps an eye on the rest of the party and buffs them by providing additional TP or by lowering another party members aggro generation etc

A good healer makes sure no party members HP reaches zero because of unavoidable damage.
A good scholar performs the healer role and contributes to the party dps in a fairly noticeable way by using the damage spells when immediate healing isn't required.

I think that the vast majority of the game content can be done just by each player doing their roles. But for the more difficult stuff I'd prefer people who know their jobs. Things go much faster and smoother then.

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Originally Posted by Train88

I do not dps as a healer.

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Originally Posted by Train88

i'm really bored with this game

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These are probably related.