Why do people beg for cash shop stuff?

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Have you considered that maybe the Chinese and Korean outfits shouldn't have been cash shop items in their respective countries either? You're right that since it was a cash shop item there then it would be unfair to give it away free here - but it didn't need to be a cash shop item in the first place.

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I have considered that. But it was a cash shop item over there, and that cannot be changed now, unfortunately. My arguments about the outfits are more so directed at those that just want to get everything for free where as they were never free for the intended market to begin with. Kaurie brought up the point that Chinese and Korean subscription models are different from NA/EU/JP sub models. Which probably attributed the the fact that the items were designed to be cash shop exclusive in their own countries. But, I cannot say for sure.

I think that I can say that the NA/EU/JP players had no influence on the fact that both the Chinese and Korean outfits were designed and implemented as cash shop items in their respective countries, though. So yeah, we can all say and agree that they shouldn't have been CS items in the first place. But we really didn't have any say in the fact that they were.

Have ppl considered that many decisions are also above Dev Team's control? These Companies have marketing teams and higher ups that can easily tie creative hands. Their idea of what your subscription includes and yours can differ greatly.

I can only imagine the things the Dev Team were able to prevent from being added or changed in-game from Corporate.

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Originally Posted by cammi

You know what, I'm so sick of people insulting people for spending their own sticking money. You all must be BROKE and live in trash cans if anyone spending ANY money makes you cry so hard like this to insult someone.

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And you insinuating that people who dont want to buy high priced stuff must live in trash cans is any better? I suggest you calm down. I'm not poor and neither are the majority of the anti cash shop people. We are simply passionate about the game and want content in the game. Not everyone wants loot right away in their faces for real money. Calm down.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

And you insinuating that people who dont want to buy high priced stuff must live in trash cans is any better? I suggest you calm down. I'm not poor and neither are the majority of the anti cash shop people. We are simply passionate about the game and want content in the game. Not everyone wants loot right away in their faces for real money. Calm down.

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Agreed. My concerns are not money related, or not related to my money situation.

I had a discussion recently on reddit with someone on /r/mmorpg, and I feel that him and I said it best - so I am just going to copy paste here. I am the non-quoted, the other person is the quoted text.

Well, I purchased and subscribed to the game with the understanding that there is not a cash shop. This was added later. Items are added to it are definitely not required, but a lot of the core game is not required either. Why is X item in the cash shop and Y item is obtainable in the game?
The real reason it bothers me, though, is that they are double dipping business practices. It'd be like Netflix charging monthly and then randomly down the road certain movies cost rental prices like in Google Play and iTunes. They're business model up to that point was a clear sub for all, and now they're copying the model of their free competitors in addition to charging. It'd be even more understandable with Netflix, as everything they distribute is not theirs by right vs everything Square is distributing is Square's by right.
Further, I find it worse in FFXIV than Netflix, due the nature of attachment to your progress in MMO's. In Netflix, I have no attachment to anything and can unsub quite easily. However, FFXIV hooked me and had me grow attached to friends, FC mates, static-mates, the story, my avatar and so on. After they had me hooked, they added the cash shop. It's a lot harder to just cut the cord at that point, and move to one of the better deals.
One thing that particularly bothers me with the store, as well, is that the prices are higher than Guild Wars 2 and Wildstar (2 F2P competitors).

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So if it's not worth the money they're asking, don't buy it, or find a way around it. You're not getting robbed if it was never promised to you in the first place.

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I don't think you understand my concern, to be honest. I don't want the items (or most of them), and don't care that I don't have them. I simply find the business practice to be shady.

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It could be great for consumers if the game was run at-cost and didn't work for profits but just the love of the genre. There's a good amount of games that are doing that, but I don't think WoW ever was meant to be that.

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True, but that isn't what I want either. Square is making more than enough revenue off of their subscription. If anything, I'd rather they raise the subscription, than have microtransactions. I'd also just support more appropriate prices (not $18 for a dress that isn't even account wide, but maybe $3 for a dress that is. I'd be surprised if they didn't get 6x the sales).

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I know that I said I wouldn't respond but I wanted to say that I did misunderstand. Your problem isn't economic as much as it is with the predatory practices. I actually completely agree. These companies take advantage of emotional attachment to make radical business changes and force unhappy customers to continue to use their product. And if there are no private servers, there's not really a place for you to go for the exact same experience. I definitely agree pricing is out of control at this point. I've never stopped being mad about League of Legends $30 skins.

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Money is the greatest incentive to have the developers do it.

Companies exist to make money. Showing Square that there's a high demand for it and people are willing to pay extra for it greatly increases the chance of it happening. Rather than hoping they're feeling generous and are willing to spend time and resources to give us an in-game freebie.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Money is the greatest incentive to have the developers do it.

Companies exist to make money. Showing Square that there's a high demand for it and people are willing to pay extra for it greatly increases the chance of it happening. Rather than hoping they're feeling generous and are willing to spend time and resources to give us an in-game freebie.

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Pretty much. We've become so cynical that many will default to demanding for highly desired items in the cash shop because there's precedent for behaving as if it will be the only way for the item to be available for us.

Maybe when people stop complaining about having to get it in game since it takes time and effort, they'll start feeling more open to that instead of just sneaking gear in Cash shop.

I can bet you if those $18 costumes were a PotD 100+ item, people would lose their shit over it saying SE doesn't WANT people to get access to it, and that we have to sit in an RNG system for glamour and that's not okay. People did it with the hair, people do it with the mount.

To play devil's advocate for a bit, why should it require effort to acquire glamour items? You're customizing your avatar, and it has no mechanical effect. This is a game, after all. Why should I have to do what is commonly described as "work" for pure aesthetics?

All that said, I have no interest in looking like an existing character so I don't buy cash shop glamours anyway, and I'd be pretty annoyed if the basic glamour sets that are in-game now went to the cash shop. But I'm not sure I actually buy into the argument for why the cash shop is so bad.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

Pretty straightforward question.

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Because if you want extra retainers, you have technical limitations. But if you are ready to pay extra 2$ - sure, no problem.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

And you insinuating that people who dont want to buy high priced stuff must live in trash cans is any better? I suggest you calm down. I'm not poor and neither are the majority of the anti cash shop people. We are simply passionate about the game and want content in the game. Not everyone wants loot right away in their faces for real money. Calm down.

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I am calm YOU didn't read it past that fake insult I see. Cause if you did you've noticed I said you can't call people insults and expect NOT to have them attack you back. What? People are supposed to take being called lazy? If that's the case take being called broke. IF you can't take it stop throwing it out. That was my point. Like it is now, it's not fun being called broke is it? I thought so.