The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Heh, not sure if you got my joke?

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Dry text usually gets lost in translation on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Shyngo

The lv 60 requirement on this suggestion would not be the sole requirement, like for example.....a Lv 60 DRG Mentor needs to have A1-A4S cleared as dragoon, X Comendations(X being definitely more than 300), no reports of bad behaviour on the last 6 months, and whatever other requirement that could be placed in here. Achieving those, you unlock DRG Mentor, but if you wanted to go further(for example, DoW Mentor), you would need to achieve these hypothetical requirements with every single DoW job. and so on.

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Having a4s clears as a requirement probably would limit the number of available mentors greatly, and on smaller servers that may be a problem. Especially since most new characters are created on smaller servers (since big ones tend to be locked ).

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Originally Posted by Toguro

I'm a special snowflake because I wish not to spend almost a year or 16hrs a day and level 2 jobs.

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Your a special snowflake if you think it's going to take you almost a year to level 2 jobs to 60.

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Originally Posted by DBthaONE

Having a4s clears as a requirement probably would limit the number of available mentors greatly, and on smaller servers that may be a problem. Especially since most new characters are created on smaller servers (since big ones tend to be locked ).

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whats the point of being a mentor if youre not qualified for it? then it just falls down to what i described on the last paragraph.

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Originally Posted by Shyngo

whats the point of being a mentor if youre not qualified for it? then it just falls down to what i described on the last paragraph.

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Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

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I'm not sure what's really "obscure" about needing to have a job of each role at level 60, to complete a certain number of instances, and to receive a certain number of commendations. It all seems pretty straightforward.

The system is exclusionary by design though. They don't want everyone mentoring, as not everyone has the sort of experience they're hoping to impart to newer players about the scope of the game. A mentor that's only really played one role is going to have a narrow view of party dynamics in most cases (not all, but SE needs to build the system for the common player). The 1000 instances/300 commendations requirements will mean that the average Mentor will also have a breadth of experience with a wide range of content, and also that they probably play regularly, which makes them more useful to newer players.

This should, in general, make the system more useful for players than the FFXI equivalent was (which had relatively lax requirements, as far as I remember—you certainly didn't need to have multiple jobs at maximum level or anything of the sort).

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

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Tbh, I think the requirements should be higher. Look at the OP for example, he clearly doesn't understand the other roles in more than the most basic sense, he might be able to tell someone a few things, but shouldn't be "Mentoring" people. Look at the poster after, she should be looking for a mentor, not thinking she could be one.

Edit: I also think any content you are mentoring people in, you should have cleared a certain number of times. Just because you have cleared Ruda HM a bunch of times doesn't mean you should be giving someone the ins and outs of VEX which you have barely cleared once.

But there are other things I want for the system too, tools I don't think we will get. Things like:

-A side by side comparison chart, where you can ask the person to do a rotation they like, then you can show them a different one, and they can look at the difference, possibly seeing why one would be better, rather than just being told.

-The ability to see all moves used, in simple point form so you can review and go over them.

-The ability to mirror the trainees gear and stats, so you can work side by side with them, at their level.

-The ability to stop a fight so you can explain the next phase, and why you do or do not do things, or to repeat a phase.

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Originally Posted by Shyngo

whats the point of being a mentor if youre not qualified for it? then it just falls down to what i described on the last paragraph.

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I don't know how you figure not clearing A4S mean you only AFK heal in dungeons. Maybe I missed how you got from point A to point Q.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Snip.

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I was referring to the fact that he said all mentors should be required to clear A4S. I'm fine with the other qualifications. Notice my mocking tone. Check context before you go on a spiel next time. As a matter of fact I had a giant post on the fourth page detailing why I supported the requirements and the rationale behind them.

I actually do think the requirements may need to be tuned up a bit more, to be honest. I agree completely with you, Whiteroom.

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

I was referring to the fact that he said all mentors should be required to clear A4S. I'm fine with the other qualifications. Notice my mocking tone. Check context before you go on a spiel next time.

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My fault. I didn't read his post because it was horribly formatted and it hurt my eyes. If that was the part you were responding to, though, you probably should have quoted that part.