Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

I tried that opener just now, and ended with 1081 without any external buffs(party, food etc). I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I'm i182 with the doman weapon.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

I tried that opener just now, and ended with 1081 without any external buffs(party, food etc). I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I'm i182 with the doman weapon.

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I'd say thats above average but there's still room for improvement, well there always is. :P
Concidering you're still missing your Hive weapon.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

I wouldn't say Lucrezia's Monk kinda sucks. His rotation (opener) was probably the best one I've seen in 2.0 Other than that I don't know anything about DnT monks, the only Monk I think I know from DnT is Odowola (Parden the spelling) and I'm pretty sure he switched to back to Dragoon before HW dropped too. Though hes a better Monk than me too lol

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i only said the lucrezia monk sucked from a progression group standpoint, as far as typical monks go, hes still way up there, but if you look at the monks dps in that T10 where the blm did 700 dps, you'll notice is extremely low compared to some other parses around, i even remember hak mentioning it at the time.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

i only said the lucrezia monk sucked from a progression group standpoint, as far as typical monks go, hes still way up there, but if you look at the monks dps in that T10 where the blm did 700 dps, you'll notice is extremely low compared to some other parses around, i even remember hak mentioning it at the time.

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I don't think that was the same monk they use for their world progression group firstly and you could go as far as saying the same for the other 2 dps that weren't the blm if you are going to base the numbers purely off the highest possible cherry picked parses that people have posted.

Also since you mentioned that you thought DnT's monks were way better i would point out in the old monk thread Odowla made a post a short time before echo was added to final coil that he had finally broken 600 on T11 and was the only monk in DnT to do so, something which pretty much all "top tier" monks were consistently hitting every week way before he made that post.
And honestly I'm not trying to take anything away from Odowla because although I've never played with him I'm sure hes a great player but I'm just making the point that taking a few parses and comparing them without actual context is extremely stupid.

What i do know is their main progression monk has cleared the last few tiers of content faster than any other monk in the game and that included Bahamut which was basically just a dps check.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

This is a good opener, it's just the old one with the new skills taken into it and was posted on the First Page.
Though I would actually swap Elixir Field with Steel Peak as it's our highest potency offGCD might aswell use it as early as possible with all buffs up. (Unless you know there will be adds appearing shortly.)
Unless someone can enlighten me why Steel Peak should be used earlier in the opener.

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No real reason. Its just my muscle memory from 2.0. Either way Elixir field will still get benefit from bfb and ir. Its up to situation like you say. :)

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I'm just making the point that taking a few parses and comparing them without actual context is extremely stupid.

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This is an important point, and is often ignored by many with just raw comparisons of numbers. So many factors to consider outside just a raw number at the end of a fight. Group comp, fight strat, etc can all greatly change the maximum damage potential for that scenario.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't think that was the same monk they use for their world progression group firstly and you could go as far as saying the same for the other 2 dps that weren't the blm if you are going to base the numbers purely off the highest possible cherry picked parses that people have posted.

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hmm, you could be right that it wasnt the same monk they use for progression, but either way, they were far to low to be just considered a bad run, need to be a lot more consistent for top tier, so my point still stands

Double monk or SCH/AST/NIN all affect parses too much to just throw a number out there and have it be relevant.


I'm the only monk in my FC so the former will never help my dps. :(

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Originally Posted by Humorless

Double monk or SCH/AST/NIN all affect parses too much to just throw a number out there and have it be relevant.


I'm the only monk in my FC so the former will never help my dps. :(

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sch is pretty much a given, since the alternative is an AST in nocturnal stance and thats simply not gonna happen, but either way they all affect dps by about the same, that includes double monk, its really not as strong as people seem to think it is.
even drg affects your dps now, the only dps that wont affect it now is bard

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Originally Posted by Zamii

that includes double monk, its really not as strong as people seem to think it is.

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It's at least 150 extra potency(more now since crit raises bootshine's damage now) every 9 attacks or what amounts to ~17 extra potency per attack, it's exactly as strong as people think it is.