DPS Tool

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

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I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up. Something other than anecdotal evidence or personal bias, as neither of those are reliable sources of information.

Anyway, all a standardized dps parser would do is...nothing except make dps reads more accurate. They are used regardless of ToS, and people still get harassed and get kicked from parties for poor performances. If there were a standardized dps parser, and you're still getting harassed for your poor performance, you can still screenshot/report. Or you can improve your gameplay, but that may take a little work.

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Originally Posted by zeroumus

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

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If used correctly, it's called accountability. If a player wants to participate in a raid, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve if they are holding the group back, or get dismissed from the group. Heck, even if the group is doing ok, but that person has huge room for improvement, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve. If people are wanting to raid, they should expect to be held accountable for their performances. It's just that with dps, there has to be a parser involved. Parsers just happen to also provide useful performance information for tanks and healers as well.

Who used a parser? Raiders
Who don't use a parser? Casual gamers, zero interest on improve damage or rotations (And obviously ps players)

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As Rankina said, the parser is not an enemy, it's a tool.
He/she explains a lot of situations.
How many times you try to kill titan hm and the heart is not killed?

In this case, you could see the global or personal damage. You can see, a toxic player could say to the lowest dps "You suck and leave us". In the other hand, a brain player, could see that the determination debuff is not dispelled, or the dps is inside the gaol.

This game has a lot of dps encounter.
Caduceus get a damage buff could instakill your tank.
ADS :D
Turn 4: They spawn and if you don't kill fast, you wipe
Twintania: if your dps is low, you can't kill conflagrates, snakes and adds in time.
Rafflesia: You need dps to kill bees and the bug, if not, wiped again.
Melusine: Adds and enrage.
Avatar: You need an amount of damage to defeat the boss and the dreadnoughts.
Turn 9: I don't try but i suppose be the same.

On a static group, we study the dps, the healing, the damage, what happen when a player die and how.
Without a parser, we are blind.

I am not a hardcore player, but i am competitive. I spent time fighting the dummy, trying differents rotations, buffs, potions, and study the damage. I am proud to say, i get around 50 dps more. Do you think 50 dps is not a great increased? Well if i lost 50 dps and me party members are same, maybe turn 8 that need 1650 global dps could not defeated.


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One option is using a parser, the other is wait to echo buff.

I think the best thing about Gormogon is that he complains that people would only be talking about "muh dps" if they had an official parser but ON THE SAME PAGE IN GENERAL DISCUSSIONS he's boasting about how gud his flare rotation is and all the damage he does(and is saying that the rotations other use are bad). Maybe you should just learn to single target DPS? I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

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I have been an mmo healer for over 10years, if you don't think i have been on "the receiving end of the stick" you are very very wrong. And your example doesn't make sense whatsoever. Play bad and people get angry? i...well...duh?
Btw, in your example you are the jerk, not the other person since you are intentionally fucking up the whole run.
So we now came to point that you are the same as the the people you call out all the time.

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up.

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All I have to use is common sense

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Originally Posted by rappa

Who used a parser? Raiders
Who don't use a parser? casual gamers

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Curse + "not saying"progress.com. There's a lot of DPS meters being downloaded especially overall and monthly and I know for sure everyone downloading them aren't doing it because they are raiders or because they need it to improve but because it's a "requirement".

Progression happens at it's own pace. In FFXIV just like any other games there will be players that can down the new raid bosses the first week, the second week, or by the 3rd week. Yet the rest that wont by the time the next thing is introduced echo buff or some sort of "nerf" is needed for them to catch up. Then there's those that even with a buff they wont down it regardless of what they used because the only way they will progress is if they get carried.

Yet Parsers aren't used for just "muh hardest coil" it's used on primals it's used on dungeons and it's not used to better anything.

Rotations are something you memorize so that already kills the necessity of parsers.

There's a way better tool for mechanics and that's called Deadly Boss Mods, something that isn't in FFXIV yet, yet that's a way better tool and one I'd try and promote over "dps meters". How many times has it been brought up in this thread to "help" people again? Rarely if not at all.

All the scenarios you posted are the reason why DPS meters are in fact a demerit.

This discussion is a bit pointless, SE already took a stance regarding DPS meters and I really doubt they will change it regardless if you agree, disagree or chose to ignore their reasons.

I understand why this would be useful (still not a necessity tho) but I doubt SE wants to deal with the "cons" it brings, this is all about money, they can still please the hardcore community without this tool while saving potential issues with the casual community (the biggest source of box sales for pretty much any game).

Now, for those who want a personal DPS meter I'd suggest making a new thread, this thread derailed long ago and I doubt they will give any consideration to that idea unless it's separated from this global DPS meter discussion.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

All I have to use is common sense


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Your common sense got actually proven wrong.
Preach (pretty famous wow youtuber) once did an experiment on how hard you need to fail to be actually called out. Its kinda scary how hard you can utterly fail till people bother to yell at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
This is coming from a game where dps meters are all over place so it should change into the thing you say right?

Now before you say that its another game, if i understand this community wow is the devil so you can't have a worse experience here then there right?

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Curse + "not saying"progress.com. There's a lot of DPS meters being downloaded especially overall and monthly and I know for sure everyone downloading them aren't doing it because they are raiders or because they need it to improve but because it's a "requirement".

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Requirement howso? Like performance is a requirement?

But then you go on to say

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Rotations are something you memorize so that already kills the necessity of parsers.

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If we completely ignore the flaws in this statement, what are the parsers then being "necessarily" downloaded for? If you have a rotation, you don't need a parser according to your logic. So what is the necessity that is driving people to download?

EDIT: To make a small elaboration simply to hammer home my point; if, extending your logic, rotations are something which can be worked our purely by memorisation with no influence of parsers or analytical methods whatsoever, then why would any player fear a parser? If you put in the time to learn a rotation, you would then in theory be fine on any content (unless dying a lot ... which means you're not fine, parser or no parser). So what scenario suddenly arises which may challenge this player?

There is no way of knowing if your rotation is optimal unless you do heavy parsing or full mathematical analysis. The former is far more readily available to most people than the latter. I prefer the latter, though parses are nice to confirm theory (as with all things, a theory is only good if it explains and can be used to predict physical evidence).

Furthermore, the only real objective way to assess how good you are at maintaining DPS in more stressful/varied situations is by parsing and checking your DPS at the end.

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There's a way better tool for mechanics and that's called Deadly Boss Mods, something that isn't in FFXIV yet, yet that's a way better tool and one I'd try and promote over "dps meters". How many times has it been brought up in this thread to "help" people again? Rarely if not at all.

All the scenarios you posted are the reason why DPS meters are in fact a demerit.

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Mechanics != raw output. They are two different things. You can dodge Titan EX like a pro, but if your raw DPS is lacking, it's not going to die. Boss Mods won't help with that in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

All I have to use is common sense

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That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. no. Proof or it didn't happen.

If there's in-game parser that only shows your dps then there's no room for abuse. No one but you can see your dps and you can't see anybody else's.