Let's talk about PvP

As many have been said, it would be cool if you can do some gambling from other people PVP too.

Okay guys, listen closely because apparently this concept is extremely hard to understand:

PvP and PvE can be balanced separately. YES THIS IS POSSIBLE AS IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. For example, in FFXI during PvP all sleep spells cap at 1 minute duration and you gain resistance to it over time, multi-hit weapon skill damage is nerfed ONLY during PvP to prevent players from getting nearly 1 shot, provoke's properties are completely changed in PvP to make a player forced to target the person who provoked him, etc. If they can do this in FFXI, WHY NOT IN FFXIV?

PvP balance changes only affect PvE in OPEN PVP GAMES and FFXIV has already been confirmed to NOT BE ONE OF THOSE GAMES. Where are players pulling this negative attitude nonsense from? If you put it that way then PvE has MUCH more negative impact on the community than PvP. I mean seriously, what's worse: A guy slaps you in a PvP match and boasts about it, or that same guy steals major drops from your linkshell and quits? You don't see people crying about not putting in hard monsters with rare drops, so why cry about not putting PvP in because it's "bad for the community" (aka BS from people who don't know what they're actually talking about).

I still haven't seen a single good argument against the implementation of PvP. It's like these crazies that say there shouldn't be an auction house because they believe it'd be limited to 7 slots like in FFXI. Same deal with people thinking PvP in this game will be balanced like WoW when it absolutely will not be.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Okay guys, listen closely because apparently this concept is extremely hard to understand:

PvP and PvE can be balanced separately. YES THIS IS POSSIBLE AS IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. For example, in FFXI during PvP all sleep spells cap at 1 minute duration and you gain resistance to it over time, multi-hit weapon skill damage is nerfed ONLY during PvP to prevent players from getting nearly 1 shot, provoke's properties are completely changed in PvP to make a player forced to target the person who provoked him, etc. If they can do this in FFXI, WHY NOT IN FFXIV?

PvP balance changes only affect PvE in OPEN PVP GAMES and FFXIV has already been confirmed to NOT BE ONE OF THOSE GAMES. Where are players pulling this negative attitude nonsense from? If you put it that way then PvE has MUCH more negative impact on the community than PvP. I mean seriously, what's worse: A guy slaps you in a PvP match and boasts about it, or that same guy steals major drops from your linkshell and quits? You don't see people crying about not putting in hard monsters with rare drops, so why cry about not putting PvP in because it's "bad for the community" (aka BS from people who don't know what they're actually talking about).

I still haven't seen a single good argument against the implementation of PvP. It's like these crazies that say there shouldn't be an auction house because they believe it'd be limited to 7 slots like in FFXI. Same deal with people thinking PvP in this game will be balanced like WoW when it absolutely will not be.

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Yeah, {I don't know} why people just don't get it. It's so simple yet people just don't get it, and it has actually been repeated a lot of times :(

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Originally Posted by Anima

Yeah, {I don't know} why people just don't get it. It's so simple yet people just don't get it, and it has actually been repeated a lot of times :(

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problem is if PVP mania bring to pve abandon (like GW)

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Originally Posted by Zephir

problem is if PVP mania bring to pve abandon (like GW)

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You mean PvP will make PvE be abandoned? Well that could happen If PvP is one of the major content in XIV but I don't think that'll happen. I believe SE knows well that their PvE is one of their greatest strength, and I don't hope for PvP to get the spotlight from PvE(seems impossible). I just want some PvP features for people to enjoy, because I know some people really love PvP, and PvP is not all about being rude to each other, spitting, There's a Fun in it too.

I can't promise you that, but I do believe SE isn't as stupid as to do that. Well XI succeeded :o

I don't mind PVP, but I really hope they have more styles that encourage teamwork or an objective type of PvP

I think an interesting twist would be like the Jagd areas from FFTA. Lawless.
So basicly an area like that would be a free for all. Maybe going in those kinda areas would be most recommended
with a party to watch your back. But never put these kinda areas in route of somewhere people have need to travel often.
I would love that kinda system in PvP. Getting killed randomly sucks but its an interesting-real world-concept to consider.

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Also Ul'dah has that gladiator arena which would be cool too. (someone probably mentioned that but i didnt read the whole thread)

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Okay guys, listen closely because apparently this concept is extremely hard to understand:

PvP and PvE can be balanced separately. YES THIS IS POSSIBLE AS IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. For example, in FFXI during PvP all sleep spells cap at 1 minute duration and you gain resistance to it over time, multi-hit weapon skill damage is nerfed ONLY during PvP to prevent players from getting nearly 1 shot, provoke's properties are completely changed in PvP to make a player forced to target the person who provoked him, etc. If they can do this in FFXI, WHY NOT IN FFXIV?

PvP balance changes only affect PvE in OPEN PVP GAMES and FFXIV has already been confirmed to NOT BE ONE OF THOSE GAMES. Where are players pulling this negative attitude nonsense from? If you put it that way then PvE has MUCH more negative impact on the community than PvP. I mean seriously, what's worse: A guy slaps you in a PvP match and boasts about it, or that same guy steals major drops from your linkshell and quits? You don't see people crying about not putting in hard monsters with rare drops, so why cry about not putting PvP in because it's "bad for the community" (aka BS from people who don't know what they're actually talking about).

I still haven't seen a single good argument against the implementation of PvP. It's like these crazies that say there shouldn't be an auction house because they believe it'd be limited to 7 slots like in FFXI. Same deal with people thinking PvP in this game will be balanced like WoW when it absolutely will not be.

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Absolutely agreed. There are games out there, that when going into PvP the effects, duration, and the usability of skill change. It can satisfy everyone when separate systems can co-exist.

Wow Demacia I had no idea SE eventually started to balance PVP that way, back in my day it was completely untouched as far as balance goes as far as I remember.

Makes me excited that since they did it in XI they will almost certainly do it here! :)