Please patch Turn 2 enrage

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Originally Posted by Doki

Well it takes a LOT longer to PUG since you eat up an additional healer as well.

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People still don't have healer alts?

It's like this game doesn't have a class system at all.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It affects them because it cheapens their "honest" wins, and it means people with poorer skill can get past what ordinarly required competent players. Since SE legitimized it its nearly impossible to do it the "legit" way now. It takes less time, but everyone would rather have loleasy rather than faster runs.

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The fact FCs can sell Titan HM runs (and other things) means that the end-game was already 'cheapened' and just shows doing ANYTHING is no indication of one's own personal skill, only people who worry about how others do something are going to be bothered with this and they really need to get a life.

I use Enrage and still clear Turn 4 easily..

Pulling Chimera up the hill..

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

People consider it cheap/exploitative, as it is supposed to be a game-ender but fails to do so and it disables all other fight mechanics.

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If SE wanted it to be a game-ender, they would have made it a game-ender. People keep insisting there was some mistake with the enrage, but there wasn't. There are plenty of other examples of a hard enrage in the game if you fail to meet a timer/dps check so people need to accept it was designed this way intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Except for FFXIV, the only one that matters here. 99% of games is not 100% of games.

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Ah, the "the rules shouldn't apply to us" defense.

This is basic balance and design. It should be addressed.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

Mindlessly spamming AOE heals, isnt a strategy. It works but its stupid as hell.
It never should be an option for an endgame content.

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Agreed. You have people asking for hard content with DPS, HPS and effective HP requirements then find a trite way to complete the content while not directly dealing with the encounter's mechanics, then have the gall to try to pass it off as a legit strategy...as legit as making AV glitch into a wall so it can be burned down from range.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

The fact FCs can sell Titan HM runs (and other things) means that the end-game was already 'cheapened' and just shows doing ANYTHING is no indication of one's own personal skill, only people who worry about how others do something are going to be bothered with this and they really need to get a life.

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Not really. If HM Titan was not the absolute bottleneck it currently is, you wouldn't have people selling Titan runs. Not to mention that 7 people carrying someone through an encounter is VERY different from taking advantage of an improperly implemented mechanic for an easy win.

Anyone who doesn't think the enrage strategy is affecting the overall balance is silly. T2 is struggling to find healers on average now while T4 is struggling to find Tanks.
This imbalance comes from this 3 Healer, 4 DPS, 1 Tank formation.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Anyone who doesn't think the enrage strategy is affecting the overall balance is silly. T2 is struggling to find healers on average now while T4 is struggling to find Tanks.
This imbalance comes from this 3 Healer, 4 DPS, 1 Tank formation.

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This is what people fail to realize. T2 enrage is a problem for everyone who relies on PUGs to do Coil (and don't come here "blah blah do in static blah". T1-T4 are easily puggable at this point). You're only hurting yourselves.

Enjoy having too many healers and too few PUG tanks for T4. I'm seeing a lot of parties taking quite a while to fill due to that imbalance.

Thankfully it doesn't affect me. Oh well, have fun I guess.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

It's a cheap strat, even if devs said its ok. "They originally said DD was working as intended and they nerfed that".

I'm so tired of seeing Turn 2 Enrage strat in BCB. And now people are 1 Tanking turn 1 - 4 with the enrage strat on t2 leaving a ton of tanks left out. It's not in the design of the mechanics of the rest of the raid, how is it not considered broken?

I mean SE, you went through all the trouble to design all the mini bosses with mechanics you can choose to leave in and take out. Then you made it so people can just go "meh who cares" "MEdica Spam II on" and still win. And then you supported it.

Yet you patch the tree glitch on the first boss in AK, Nerf Dark Devices, fix the "jump off the platform with medica II Titan HM glitch" etc, and you say this one is ok and working as designed?

Seriously confused SE.

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Sounds like someone doesn't have a coil static and is sick of sitting on the sidelines.

>.< Lol, this is like being angry at someone for winning the lottery. Darn them! All they had to do was scratch off a few numbers and i had to work for 80 hours a week to get the same amount of money! Nooooo!

Maybe not exactly but...lighten up gais :) It's just a game and you are supposed to be having fun! I know I am.

Seriously though, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Each side has valid points but for now SE has directly stated its not an exploit. Until they change their minds people are going to clear it in whatever fashion they choose. More power to them. Doesn't affect me at all.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

This is what people fail to realize. T2 enrage is a problem for everyone who relies on PUGs to do Coil (and don't come here "blah blah do in static blah". T1-T4 are easily puggable at this point). You're only hurting yourselves.

Enjoy having too many healers and too few PUG tanks for T4. I'm seeing a lot of parties taking quite a while to fill due to that imbalance.

Thankfully it doesn't affect me. Oh well, have fun I guess.

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You have GOT to be kidding me. Trying to find a PUG group where all 8 members new how to pass rot was near impossible. This method makes pugging much more reliable.

In regards to the imbalance, the problem on most servers is a lack of tanks (hence the bonus) so this would actually be helping.