Stop lying to your groups

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Because once you have Relic/DL - your gear means nothing again until Turn 5. Given that low threshold of gear (and yes, that's low) - it's all skilled based.

Not surprising that experienced groups don't want to deal with a new player. If you think gear will carry you through Coil - haha, no.

If you love teaching so much, why aren't you joining new groups? Also, all the teaching you need is on Youtube so....again, low threshold.

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ya i know gear doesnt mean much, however i wasnt talking about coil. i was talking about DF groups, i kinda said that in the first line of my post. i mentioned my gear because, it should be pretty obvious that if im in full DL and have my +1 its most likely not my first run of that dungeon, again i must stress since you missed it the firs time. this is in DF, as in DUTY... FINDER... groups....

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

I believe that is intended. My guess is that Yoshi wants people to organically pass the content on their own merit, unlike Titan HM. I agree with that design decision.

Coil really isn't all that hard when you understand the mechanics. Mechanics are easily taught via videos. From there it's just execution, which *shouldn't* be hard. Yet for whatever reason, it is for a lot of people.

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While i agree with your statement, something about the "Go watch a video" approach has always bothered me, personal experience in both learning and teaching has always given me the impression that being in an instance to evaluate where things are going wrong from a first person perspective has yielded better results.

Obviously this greatly varies from person to person however.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

While i agree with your statement, something about the "Go watch a video" approach has always bothered me, personal experience in both learning and teaching has always given me the impression that being in an instance to evaluate where things are going wrong from a first person perspective has yielded better results.

Obviously this greatly varies from person to person however.

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They always have the choice of grouping up with everyone else who hasn't done it before, 'not' watching the helpful videos that not SE, but us players have posted in order to assist others to make things easier on them if they get stuck..... and actually learn the mechanics through trial and error like the rest of us have who beat the content and found our own way just like in any videogame 'before' strategy guides were put out there for the encounters.

We can't all be captain save'a'ho.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

ya i know gear doesnt mean much, however i wasnt talking about coil. i was talking about DF groups, i kinda said that in the first line of my post. i mentioned my gear because, it should be pretty obvious that if im in full DL and have my +1 its most likely not my first run of that dungeon, again i must stress since you missed it the firs time. this is in DF, as in DUTY... FINDER... groups....

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....Relic+1 and DL is pretty dang standard for Coil. Maybe some people that really blasted through content and didn't maximize tomes per week might be stuck at Relic/DL. However, to think that DL gear is any indication of how far you've progressed in Coil is ridiculous. That is done through Allagan gear, noting that yes - some people could get screwed by the RNG.

So not only is sarcasm completely unwarranted, but what you imply is totally wrong.

Oh, and the DF should not and will not ever exist for Coil. I suggest you get over it.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

While i agree with your statement, something about the "Go watch a video" approach has always bothered me, personal experience in both learning and teaching has always given me the impression that being in an instance to evaluate where things are going wrong from a first person perspective has yielded better results.

Obviously this greatly varies from person to person however.

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Agreed. However, the focus of our videos is to explain mechanics not so much about what each individual person is doing. Not so sure about what other people are doing. The idea is to understand the mechanics but form a strategy around those mechanics individually, within each static group. I can't tell a group running a BLM/SMN to play the same way a BRD/BRD/DRG plays. That won't work.

Also, it's just too much work to have a video from the perspective of every possible job on every turn.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

They always have the choice of grouping up with everyone else who hasn't done it before, 'not' watching the helpful videos that not SE, but us players have posted in order to assist others to make things easier on them if they get stuck..... and actually learn the mechanics through trial and error like the rest of us have who beat the content and found our own way just like in any videogame 'before' strategy guides were put out there for the encounters.

We can't all be captain save'a'ho.

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I actually addressed this on the previous page lol

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Agreed. However, the focus of our videos is to explain mechanics not so much about what each individual person is doing. Not so sure about what other people are doing. The idea is to understand the mechanics but form a strategy around those mechanics individually, within each static group. I can't tell a group running a BLM/SMN to play the same way a BRD/BRD/DRG plays. That won't work.

Also, it's just too much work to have a video from the perspective of every possible job on every turn.

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Yeah that's kind of what i meant, there are things on a personal mechanic level that cant always be understood from a video or rather would require WAY too much work to properly document.

In a perfect scenario players should be able to view a video and properly replicate the actions / strategy shown however this is rarely if never the case.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

....Relic+1 and DL is pretty dang standard for Coil. Maybe some people that really blasted through content and didn't maximize tomes per week might be stuck at Relic/DL. However, to think that DL gear is any indication of how far you've progressed in Coil is ridiculous. That is done through Allagan gear, noting that yes - some people could get screwed by the RNG.

So not only is sarcasm completely unwarranted, but what you imply is totally wrong.

Oh, and the DF should not and will not ever exist for Coil. I suggest you get over it.

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wtf are you going on about? lol step back, take a breathe, wipe the spittle from your monitor. all i said was i thought i was funny to go into DF groups and say i was new and watch the scrubs start scrambling. thats it. i made no suggestions, nothing. i dont give a crap about what happens in coil.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

wtf are you going on about? lol step back, take a breathe, wipe the spittle from your monitor. all i said was i thought i was funny to go into DF groups and say i was new and watch the scrubs start scrambling. thats it. i made no suggestions, nothing. i dont give a crap about what happens in coil.

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So...you came on the thread about liars in the DF/Coil to brag about how...you troll the DF.

Classy.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

So...you came on the thread about liars in the DF/Coil to brag about how...you troll the DF.

Classy.

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Yah, real classy. It's a real dick move. Granted, being a dick can be fun in DF. I like to que into Titan HM and put on lower leveled gear... then watch people flip out and whine about what i'm wearing or start making fun of me. Then I put on all my iLvl 90 coil gear and start cheekily laughing at them while I watch them die to all the mechanics, + be way undergeared in comparison. It is dickary indeed.... but sometimes sadism can be so... liberating.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

Yah, real classy. It's a real dick move. Granted, being a dick can be fun in DF. I like to que into Titan HM and put on lower leveled gear... then watch people flip out and whine about what i'm wearing or start making fun of me. Then I put on all my iLvl 90 coil gear and start cheekily laughing at them while I watch them die to all the mechanics, + be way undergeared in comparison. It is dickary indeed.... but sometimes sadism can be so... liberating.

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I've actually seen this a few times but what saddens me is not the trolling but rather how quick people are ready to give up and jump on someone when it comes to these fights, many of which could have been won with an honest attempt.