White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

Your "apology" is not accepted.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

And yet I see people with ultimate weapons, feast crowns and I could care less. Whatever one person pursues I say good for them but I don't go about saying:" Omg that is so cool!" when people realize that different people have different interests and not everyone has to follow or support your own just because its how you see it is when we can have taking points.

Otherwise, I have as many counter points to the inanity behind item > memory as you have points to defend whatever it is you cling to.

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The fact that you couldn't care less about other peoples achievements says more about you then the rewards themselves. You don't have to share someone's interest to be happy for (or at the very least, acknowledge) their success, whether its the fenrir mount, a really hard to get minion, a pvp reward, or an ultimate weapon, you still recognise the item as hard to obtain. Its a shame that in a social game such as this, we can't be social, instead we treat the accomplishment of others as a negative because they have something we don't.

Look up any study on the negative impact of participation prizes, the science doesn't support your opinion.

still waiting for the legacy tattoo to be released in a global event ;3

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

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All it looks to me now, if they're re-named to 'Replica White Ravens,' is that the White Ravens are more important 'trophies' than everything else in ARR-SB.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

People complained about the replica High Allagan and Dreadwyrm gear, so there still would've been seven legacy players complaining and the rest being people who started in 3.0 white knighting.

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Of course there would have been. Just about any action brings in complaints.
But it wouldn't be this severe, I'd suspect.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

All it looks to me now, if they're re-named to 'Replica White Ravens,' is that the White Ravens are more important 'trophies' than everything else in ARR-SB.

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But that then extends the view on the problem. It has long been said by a portion of the playerbase that the forced expiration of content is a bad thing, and it seems that it is coming into the spotlight again now due to an item that players thought would be protected from forced expiration has now expired. Its not just renaming the white ravens that needs to happen, the dev teams entire philosophy on forcibly expiring content needs to change. Just because the entire system is flawed doesn't mean that this one aspect with an easy fix should be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The fact that you couldn't care less about other peoples achievements says more about you then the rewards themselves. You don't have to share someone's interest to be happy for (or at the very least, acknowledge) their success, whether its the fenrir mount, a really hard to get minion, a pvp reward, or an ultimate weapon, you still recognise the item as hard to obtain. Its a shame that in a social game such as this, we can't be social, instead we treat the accomplishment of others as a negative because they have something we don't.

Look up any study on the negative impact of participation prizes, the science doesn't support your opinion.

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Browsed about 5 articles about it online. Shows the same thing as I see here. Emphasis on feeling like you're part of a higher level or a 'select few'. Also shows you went on a tangent because you felt like I didn't value your achievement because it says "more about me", you missed the quote about "good for them".

I am not gonna praise or shower them with attention over something that is not of my interest, that doesn't mean: I won't respect their opinion and preference (more power to them and what not) but the fact that you need to be recognized and feel special because you did something when it was 'important' or 'valuable' says more about those who place value on the reward, more than the experience and the personal achievement.

Like I already said: There are as many counter points as there are positives. Sample studies and anecdotes don't mean much when cultural differences already make a large divide.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Its a shame that in a social game such as this, we can't be social, and we treat the accomplishment of others as a negative because they have something we don't.

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^This

So much salt towards people who have things they don't. To the point where they are just accusing everyone of "bragging" or needing to feel "special" just because they have an achievement or rewards that they don't have.

It's sad, but I have exact examples of what you are pointing out Lambda. I've had people in-game get salty about my mount collection to the point where I ended up feeling insecure about even using my favourite mounts because people would accuse me of showing off or bragging. Like, I want to use my favourite mounts because I like them, not to brag. Just because someone personally likes their accomplishments doesn't mean they are using it to brag or want to use it to brag.

It also feels so crappy when you get a rare item you've been working on trying to get but you feel like you can't even share your happiness with anyone else because they'll label you a show off or bragging that you obtained it. Even with people who you thought were supposed to be friends. Even in mount farming groups just winning the roll can turn people against you immediately and they can become openly rude in chat.

To me, naming it replica is the most reasonable and logical win-win solution, both sides get what they want.

By the way, I never earned the earrings in 1.0. Have to mention that before anyone accuses me of just wanting my "bragging rights" or "special" status. Kinda destroys a lot of people's arguments when there are people like me around that you can't throw all of these baseless accusations at to try to devalue their position as just being a show off.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

I, myself, am the sort of person who separates the experience from the physical reward

FINAL FANTASY XIV Producer and Director, Naoki Yoshida

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This is how I approach things, too. That said, I'm in no position to tell people how to feel or where to place their sense of validation so yeah.

/shrug

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

This is how I approach things, too. That said, I'm in no position to tell people how to feel or where to place their sense of validation so yeah.

/shrug

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Same, but we seem to be in the 'wrong'. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯