Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

They probably didn't see you do it. When you do your rotation, you don't necessarily have time to hold your finger back when you see the ‘sleep’ status displayed on the mob. Their fault? Partly.

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While I agree to a point. It was lvl 38 content, so hitting 2 buttons isn't really that intensive. Also, they had to double back and intentionally attack mobs that were slept and left behind. And even in lvl 100 content, you need to have at least a small amount of awareness of the battlefield and where and what all your party members are doing. Rotations are not that difficult in this game, esp for picto or viper esp at 38, so that is really reaching for an excuse. Not to mention those sorts of excuses is why players in general feel they are allowed to play so poorly.

It was just funny that the tank immediately went to "go back to WoW!" like some sort of ffxiv meme lol. Like I said, it took 15 years to happen and it was funny.

Joined a P4S unsynced group that spent 10 minutes deliberating over the one mechanic that has to be resolved (which are just towers) followed by 8 "missed my tower XD" wipes. Plenty of staring at the boss after each wipe with no discussion, pointless ready checks, and a Dancer popping Standard Finish prepull--yes, Finish, not Step.

And apparently all that deliberating still wasn't enough because someone's marker layout being different from the prep layout led to confusion, even though the markers are in the same place and it obviously didn't make a difference because it wasn't the problem.

It's hard not to see why Crystal gets such a bad rap.

wtf

https://i.ibb.co/LC2Fr0J/1.png

Healer couple in M3 with two new DPS. Healers die to Lariat Combo, RDM at half HP and 1 stack (boss is at 35%) narrowly survives a raid-wide thanks to tank LB2. Healers do not accept raises, wiping the raid and leaving.

Obviously this pair came off as trollish, so lo and behold:

https://i.ibb.co/9N5KFdN/2.png

Healer shortage is real too. Lot of 7/8 parties with a WHM. It's like the 2012 NFL replacement refs.

The Dark Inside (Normal) on Roulette.

Gods it was hard work! Team consisted of PLD, DRK, WHM, SGE (me), DNC, VPR, SAM, PCT.

Now, I'll note I'm not a good player by any stretch of the imagination. I'm the 'barely adequate' type who struggles, sticks to Normal content (as not good enough for Savage/Extreme), feels like a burden to team I'm in most of the time and just scrape by.
Anyway - this run made me realise that there is always someone worse! Namely the Viper in the team, who repeatedly died to just about every mechanic and myself and the WHM spent a LOT of the instance reviving him only for him to die again almost immediately afterward.

The team wiped four times. First attempt was a straightforward fail.

On attempt #2 the Picto uses LBIII whilst Zodiark was on 1/4 health. Needless to say it didn't do much. Viper predictably dies for the umpteenth time following this. Sadly the Tanks both died shortly after this and whilst myself and the WHM tried to rescue the run we didn't survive Zodiark giving us increased attention.

At this point I suggested that we should keep the LBIII next time, as the team was clearly struggling and might be beneficial having Healer LBIII to fall back on should it be required - the PLD agreed with me.

Attempt #3: Another wipe, although we did get close this time - I managed to get distracted trying to raise the Floor-Viper again. Viper was AFK for a lot of this attempt - the DRK pointed this out, and about a minute later the VPR replies in chat, claiming someone knocked their door IRL.

Attempt #4: We finally finished it - no thanks to the Viper who, during one of their rare moments of being upright, used LBIII as soon as the bar filled, to little benefit, and promptly died again afterward. WHM raised him one more time. He was knocked off the platform shortly afterward and neither me nor the WHM bothered to raise him again as there didn't seem much point and our efforts were better directed healing the rest of the team.

Anyway - big thanks to everyone else on the team for persisting, particularly the WHM - we worked our arses off healing that team!

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Namely the Viper in the team, who repeatedly died to just about every mechanic and myself and the WHM spent a LOT of the instance reviving him only for him to die again almost immediately afterward.

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I'm on chaos so it was probably not the same person but I saw a viper recently in copied factory who was pretty much like that.

I gave them a comm because I don't play a healer and players who die are funny

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Joined a P4S unsynced group that spent 10 minutes deliberating over the one mechanic that has to be resolved (which are just towers) followed by 8 "missed my tower XD" wipes. Plenty of staring at the boss after each wipe with no discussion, pointless ready checks, and a Dancer popping Standard Finish prepull--yes, Finish, not Step.

And apparently all that deliberating still wasn't enough because someone's marker layout being different from the prep layout led to confusion, even though the markers are in the same place and it obviously didn't make a difference because it wasn't the problem.

It's hard not to see why Crystal gets such a bad rap.

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I think this is pretty common occurrence in P4S unsync PFs that I joined in Aether as well.

Most players that joins these parties, as far as I can observe, they seemed to be joining under an impression that they can faceroll, ignore mechanics, and get their loots.

And no, not even placing waymarks & explaining helps these players most of the times. They will fumble around not knowing where to go then either miss their own tower or take the one that’s closest to wherever they’re at.

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Assuming all of that is done proper, you’d think you’ll get the clear? Nah. This floor has been farmed to oblivion in unsync since DT launch with 1T/7D compo. But to do this, you need people who press their buttons. Ah yes, that is what’s missing most of the time. Or, people insists bringing a healer instead of tank, or god forbid the dreaded 1T/1H/6D compo. No we don’t need to learn Act.2 mech either... Don’t overcomplicate stuffs… Just… do… -tower- proper and don’t stand on bads… and press your buttons—

Aaaaaaaaaaa—/playdead

Sigh.

*Pulls out the tallyboard for another body caused by someone standing on the tanks during ramuh*

So today I queued for MSQ roulette. I go in as tank. I get Praetorium. I get a group comprised of a White Mage, a Samurai, and a Dancer.

Everything goes about how you'd expect it. During the first boss fight, the Dancer notices the White Mage is just healing. So we kill the boss. It goes on, and we get to Nero, and the White Mage is still just healing. So the Dancer chims in again and nothing.

After that, there's the infamous elevator cutscene, and I use the auto translation feature to make it easier for the White Mage to understand what they should be doing. I was very nice and respectful about it. I understand, and honestly, it doesn't bother me one way or the other, but it is a bad habit to break. He finally speaks and tells me that he can play however he wants and proceeds to tell me he's ignoring me. Now I've really honestly done nothing to him. If anything, he should be mad at the Dancer. The Dancer got on his case 2 times. And I wasn't being rude about it.

So we get to the last boss fight, and he refuses to heal me, and I just finally lose my cool and tell him "Well now you've chosen to get kicked." Group wipes. Guy gets kicked. Replace the healer profit.

I hate that it ended up that way. I am the least min max gotta go fast person on Earth. I honestly didn't care that my roulette was running long. I honestly only chimed in because I thought the Dancer wasn't going to let it go, so I'd explain it better, and we'd carry on into the sunset. But here we are.

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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First time to MMOs?

Jokes aside---I mean, if it's not happening over here, it would happen somewhere else... i.e. reddit, twitter, etc.

Heck, if you think in-game are free from such grievances, you'd be surprised how some people are apparently expressing similar degree of grievances (you know, normal human behavior?) in spaces like close-knitted CWLS, harmlessly.

have a few stories but here is one that was funny xD

Me and my friend DPS roulette leveling healer has a macro on cure where he's throwing chubs at who he heals. xD

the tank feels uncomfy because the healer keeps throwing fat chubs at him xD

It was an all around smopoth run but we called the healer out and the tank called him chubins I hope those dudes are doing well xD

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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Are you unfamiliar with the concept of venting? And if you actually read, it gets close to 1/4 stories are either good things people wanted to share or people telling on themselves for doing something dumb.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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If you think that this thread is toxic, I'ld recommend you stay away from social media. Or the real life. You might not be able to handle either :)

But jokes aside, I really pity this little word "toxic". The amount of abuse it has seen over the last years is heartshaking.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Amusing, albeit one-way, exchange in a slow-ish but otherwise okay run of Abyssal Fracture - mouthy tank kept raging at everyone for whatever reason prompting this person in the team to respond as follows:
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Have to admit it made me laugh!

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Please use some common sense to hide players names if you are showing the chat like that

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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Nah MMO is always going to have toxic communities, and I think FFXIV could say is already on the good side.
The only time I see toxic player is in savage unsync and expecting to quick easy fight skip mechanics.
Most of the time in DF, as long as the content got clear no one care, since it is very unlikely you will meet the same player again in DF.
This thread let you blow off some steam and you can go back queuing in DF with better mental health, and sometimes laugh at yourself for some silly mistake.

To the SCH I had in Vanguard:

Why. Just why. Why did you spam Physick for your healing for nearly the entire dungeon when you have so, SO many other tools at your disposal? Our GNB, despite me on MNK and the SMN pushing everything to kill the trash packs, very nearly died even after blowing every available cooldown, even Superbolide. You stood there spamming Physick or Broil, and most of the time you would interrupt your own Broil to cast Physick.

Physick is one of the worst heals in the game. Please take it off of your hotbar, and please read up on your skills and tooltips, as you seemed to have an understanding of Expedient but really nothing else.

Also please upgrade your book. If you were wondering why your Physick spam wasn't sustaining the GNB, please understand that a 570 book negatively impacts your healing in a 97 dungeon. Yes, your 3 Concitations, when you actually cast them for those times you somehow managed to find the button, gave yours truly a nearly invisible sliver of shield. When you actually decided to cast Adlo and it crit, it covered less than a quarter of the tank's hp.

Dealing damage is part of a healer's job. Doing damage is future healing received. Please help with damage so the tank does not eat so much damage from the trash packs instead of spamming Physick.

Sincerely,

One MNK who just wanted to get to 100 but now has Physick ringing in their ears.

All I wanted to do was get in and get my weekly mogtome stuff done on an alt.

Cutter's Cry, went on WHM because lately I can't trust random healers to actually use Esuna for the second boss' dot. It pops pretty quickly, and I get a GNB BRD and SAM for the rest of the party.

BRD is either single-targetting packs and not using their procs, standing in silly and not using Peloton/songs. The entire. Dang. Dungeon. SAM seems very new to their job, and has an idea of Higabana and keeping their Jinpu buff up but not their Shipu buff up. GNB has seemingly no idea what Sprint is.

Things are going fairly well (SAM ate a self-destruct) and the big soldier ant add decided it wanted to clip and flip through the floor in order to cast something. After the first boss I thought the GNB was going for the skip as they were pulling all the way to the first Shifting Sand and looked at it. I clicked and went through, however since the mobs were right on their tail, the teleport got interrupted.

"Oh." I said in realization.

"Didn't let me through." the tank replied.

"Gotta hit Sprint before you tag them to get ahead far enough." I advised them, referring to when they want to skip and jump through, leaving the mobs behind for future reference.

"Makes sense." the tank replied.

Suddenly our star of the show, the songless bard, pipes up with an accusation: "lol u guys r the reason prechanged lol"

I was completely thrown off by the terrible spelling and accusation. Prechanged? We're not prepartied.

"Huh?!"

"patorium"

Wha-why are we talking about Praetorium when we were talking about skipping mobs in Cutter's Cry since the GNB was attempting it? It was so far out of left field and took a minute to realize what she was referring to during the second boss that I realized she's an idiot on top of being a terrible lvl 95 bard.

Honestly I came in when they made cutscenes unskippable in Stormblood. So I wasn't even here for that kind of shit. It got changed much later again to allow duty support because bot ai isn't the brightest of the bunch.

So to that bard, don't assume other people are the reason why things have changed.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

I like how people say this game/comm. ain't toxic when there's literally a little passive aggressive gathering place like this. What a glorious use of your lifetime ranting about someone who doesn't even know you exist.

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Insulting someone directly because of a mistake is toxic. Ranting on your own, or venting on a topic like this because you're tired/annoyed is not.

Or any kind of complaining is. A friend of yours is moaning a bit about his partner because he's been tiring lately? TOXIC. Do you nag about a colleague's behaviour behind their back, because saying it to their face wouldn't do any good, but you just have to get it out? TOXIC.

No seriously, stop abusing that word.

Finally did the first set of Arcadion just before 7.2 dropped.
Forgot I had bgm muted the entire time (it was set to like, 3 anyway, so not like I'd've heard it)
Do 'em all, have a bit of fun learning mechanics
Above all
M2
Orchestrion roll drops
I'm the last roll. No idea what number I hit, but I got the roll.
Gave it to my waifu cuz she wanted it.
Still have not heard a single Arcadion song to this day.

Had a run today in Qitana Ravel. I noticed the ninja was far away from the fight. They were only doing ranged attacks, which was weird. I noticed they also hung back a lot as we made our way through the dungeon. And they would randomly run around during the fight and about twice died because of it. On the final boss they kept angling their target on me. Was weird af. But I was their only target, no one else in the group. So I have to assume they are all friends and were certifying the nonsense. Even when I stayed back after the duty ended to gpose with the npcs they remained, like they were specifically there to watch me or something. Weird creepy trolly behavior.

Saw the rare dps in need for lvling so pounced on it with picto (trying to get it to 100 on my main) got sirensong and although I thought I played badly (never died tho) due to being uhh... impaired >.> got all the comms for clever use of lb lol

Interphos ex - please, read the indications given by the group search tools. This tool is very well done in FF, so you might as well make the most of it.

I found myself in a group that I wanted to help clean up the fight, as a healer. The PF specified ‘enrage exp’. Perfect, so I thought I'd give it the final push they needed, since I'd already cleaned up the fight myself a long time before. I had time, patience... But not enough, that evening, to find myself in a group where no less than three players had absolutely none of the ‘enrage exp’ required.

One of the players, in particular, caused 3/4 of the wipes, right from the meteor phase. When some people (including me) pointed out to him that it wasn't nice for the others to parasitise a more advanced group, he brushed it off with a good old-fashioned ‘we're all new one day’. THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. The people who want to clean the fight, the people who are there to help included, join a group according to the time and attention it will require. It's an abuse of our time to try to fit in and pray that no one will notice the many mistakes you've made. At least have the decency to apologise when everyone around you realises that it will take two hours, not one, and that you'll need the attention of an F1 driver to keep you alive. If I had the patience that evening to give a helping hand to a group that had to train ‘from start’, I would have signed up for the other groups specifying ‘from start’. Not in the one that just had to get through the last phase.

This story is from Tuesday, but it's still on my mind because of how ridiculous it was.

I log in to get my Cruiserweight NORMAL weeklies out of the way, and work my way through them with no issue as usual until M7 pops.

I go in expecting it to go just as well as the other fights went, but it's the one I get in progress most often so you know, some flubs are to be expected.

What I do not expect is for one of the SMNs (We had three) to start complaining rudely at the others for overriding buffs. I get it man, it's not optimal, but you cannot expect randos in the DF to coordinate buffs perfectly, least of all when you have three of the same job. Having a meltdown over that is just stupid. The other healer says "Chill, they probably didn't notice." and then it's quiet again.

Now, after they complained about the others I expected to see perfect play from them. I didn't expect that same SMN complaining about optimization with randoms to THEN eat EVERY single dogdable aoe that they could, and then just not bother to get knocked over to the safe platform.

So yeah, me and the other healer rezzed them, A LOT.

But you know what we didn't do? Complain about it. We did out best to keep getting them up, even though at a point it was feeling to me they were just a sandbag.

We get to a point where the other healer died to something too and I panic cause Brutal impact is about to cast, I KNOW the timeline of the fight. The rude SMN is down again and the one melee, a RPR is also down. I'd used every CD I had already and I wasn't confident that I would be ok alone since that aoe mech adds more hits each time you see it and we were seeing a lot of hits. (The RPR also liked to eat every aoe and collect vuln stacks btw, but I was much less annoyed about them doing it cause they were melee and they hadn't been rude like the SMN had.)

So I healer LB3, to get everyone up and back to full health.

SMN and RPR die again, and the SMN immediately says "Waste of LB3" and the RPR says "Yup"

and it's one of my biggest pet peeves when people that die constantly then try to tell the people that are up and still alive how to play, so this put me in a foul mood and then we wipe cause we don't have enough bodies in the tower. The SMN has some other snide remarks, and it makes me even more mad. I don't remember exactly what they said, but I had some words ready for them right then and I begin typing.

The other healer said to them "If you want to heal, queue as one next time."

I typed "It's funny how the people that eat the most aoes have the most critiques."

and the other healer says something like "Right, acting like it's easy." which I DO think it's easy. When you don't have people eating EVERY aoe that they can. This is a NORMAL MODE RAID. There are NO HARD NORMAL MODE RAIDS.

One of the tanks says "Everyone shut up, I want to finish this."

And I was pissed and replied mid new pull "You think we don't?"

This next run goes a little better. The SMN and RPR eat a few less aoes, and don't miss getting knocked over this time. Who knew that doing the MECHANICS would mean you didn't get vuln stacks and weakness all the time. But they do still eat aoes, as a matter of fact I have a funny clip of them both getting rezzed, topped of and then just eating stuff and dying again on the new run too.

I'll keep it forever to remember them by.

but whatever, we cleared it, and we roll on the loot.

And the other tank who had been quiet up to that point, but I notice was from the same server as the SMN (Jenova, why is it always people from Jenova...) says "You can't heal a raid with no materia."

and I'm just like.

WHAT??? HUH??????????

I can't believe what I'm reading cause like, there is no way they're serious right now. NO AMOUNT OF DET, DH and CRIT WAS GOING TO SAVE SOMEONE FROM STANDING IN THE AOES.

NOT TO MENTION I DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE DYING THAT MUCH ON DAY ONE, and I did it WITH WORST GEAR AND I HEALED IT JUST FINE THEN.

The other healer says "We did."

and all I can think to say is "Lmao this is normal mode bro"

I really wish I would have mentioned that I had less trouble with my first day blind runs than I did with their AOE eating friend.

I can own up to my mistakes no problem, but I cannot heal someone that is dead because they stand in everything.


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For a more funny one, the next thing I ran was M6 and I was distracted at the end of the fight still thinking about "You can't heal a raid with no materia" and near the end I zoned out and zoned back in right when the fire stacks came out and didn't preposition and the fire stacks were overlapped, so I was going to go run and sac and ended up taking one of the tanks with me.

I apologized profusely cause I wasn't paying attention and it was my fault and the tank just laughed it off and said it was their fault cause they were still on the bridge.

So just recently got out of an alliance roulette run in Void Ark, I was on my alt female elezen just doing this for exp. Run goes fairly well, a few deaths because people aren't paying attention to aoes and markers, and we clear.

While I was waiting for loot rolls, one of the dps pipes up in party chat saying my elezen is ugly as f*ck before immediately dipping. No one asked you bro. I got my loot, left the instance and just logged out for the day.

I have no idea who urinated in your Cheerios, bud, and hope you have a better day to NOT comment as to how ugly someone's race looks in a game.

So I want to point out something.

Mechanics are not hard.

Many of them, if not all, a lot of players have seen before in some form or fashion as they progress through the game. Fights are not hard, especially when you've got a good healer or two plus a good tank or two to help. When everyone does the mechanics correctly, the fight progresses and you clear. Easy right?

Then please tell me why, oh god why, do you just stand there like you've got a dial-up brain in mechanics and just repeatedly eat them in M8N? There was a pair of dps (a NIN and RDM) in there that I had to constantly scrape off the floor, and at least 5 times the RDM in our party let my raises time out. Yes. They let the Raise I dropped on them time out. The amount of mp and other resources I dumped on these two would make a BLM blush. The rest of them, including my cohealer, had some serious trouble with staying alive.

Counting your toes does not count as doing mechanics. If you have to stop dpsing to do a mechanic to survive, then do that. DEAD DPS DO NO DPS.

I also want to point out that, if you just lie on the floor, that's one less person to help take the stack, and at minimum you need 5 people with heavy mitigations to cover it. And I mean HEAVY MITIGATIONS. Your Addle/Feint count as mitigations, and you need to make use of them, dps. It really shouldn't be THAT HARD to read your toolkit.

If y'all are wondering, yes, we wiped 4 times because people kept failing mechanics repeatedly, three people left, and our deadweight of a RDM was on the floor for a good quarter of each pull. Of the three people, one pulled a forced dc, most likely to avoid eating a penalty and have me kick them.

To the person that forced-dc'ed to avoid a penalty: you suck. Learn to be a team player.

To the NIN that tried but kept eating mechanics: mechanics over dps. I'd much rather heal you than have to dump yet another 2400 mp to scrape your butt off the floor.

To the RDM that kept timing out my raises and causing us to wipe: Get off of RDM so I don't prioritize you for raising to help raise. I dumped far too much acceptable MP on you when I could've used that mp to help keep the party alive.

To the two people that left in a huff: thanks for nothing.

To the rest of the party that stayed and tried: y'all are good cookies.

MSQ roulette: Praetorium. Queued as healer. Big warning sign when I'm higher on the threat table than either of the two DPS - a red mage and a black mage.
Can feel it coming as we slowly work our way to the end boss.
They're not incompetent thankfully and can avoid mechanics, but the damage just isn't there.
Big golden boy does his 4-way split and starts charging his blade.
Can't kill them in time. Wipe one. Twice.
Considering dropping since there's really nothing we can do if they can't do more damage.
Eventually convince one of them to drop a rank-1 LB, and barely scrape through the damage check.
Took a break from MSQ roulette after that one.

Lev X0 roulette. Aetherochemical Research Facility.
Neat, hadn't seen the rework.
Easy enough, get to last boss. It's a long fight, the dps are going up and down like wack-a-moles but we enter phase 2.
DPS check time, and they're both freshly revived with about 25% of their main stat remaining. Not a prayer of passing.
Wipe again. They're really struggling with the boss mechanics.
As healer I'm doing all I can to keep them up, Rescueing them into the safe-zones, though they immediately run back out to get double-tap 1 shot regardless.
Barely make it through the third time.
I don't queue Lev X0 roulette anymore.

Last time I queued for MSQ roulette I got castrum meridianum.
It went as normal but a bit after the first boss suddenly the entire landscape breaks apart and reforms to be Bozja? The music changed to a remix of Wind on the Plains too and Noah van Gabranth kept showing up. It was very surreal.

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Last time I queued for MSQ roulette I got castrum meridianum.
It went as normal but a bit after the first boss suddenly the entire landscape breaks apart and reforms to be Bozja? The music changed to a remix of Wind of the Plains too and Noah van Gabranth kept showing up. It was very surreal.

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curious, very curious indeed

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

There are NO HARD NORMAL MODE RAIDS.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Mechanics are not hard.

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Just a quick reminder that something being easy for you, does not mean that it's easy for everyone.

I for one struggle with normal trials and raids, as the sheer volume of visual clutter, counterintuitive mechanics, and unillegible boss emotes simply overwhelms me. I usually can do the first half of a fight without problems, but as soon as the boss starts firing 17 different AEs all at the same time, I start dying.

That being said, I always try to do my best - avoid dying as far as possible, help the healers with damage reduction shields or rezzes, and so on. And of course I would never mouth off to others in the group - being a carry myself, I'm surely not in the position to tell others how to play :)

And I just had a very strange cruiserweight/M4 Normal run. He summons two wolve heads, counts to 100, then kills you. This happened twice to us. Lots of back and forth in the chat, we try it a third time... wolve heads dead on 50%, easy kill. All DDs were up in the first 2 trys, so no idea what those people were doing...

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

Just a quick reminder that something being easy for you, does not mean that it's easy for everyone.

I for one struggle with normal trials and raids, as the sheer volume of visual clutter, counterintuitive mechanics, and unillegible boss emotes simply overwhelms me. I usually can do the first half of a fight without problems, but as soon as the boss starts firing 17 different AEs all at the same time, I start dying.

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If it helps out, you can turn off a lot of the visual clutter in options. I've adjusted this since Delebrum Reginae was current content, and can't really live without it as dodging became much, MUCH easier. On the flip side, this has made dragging people kicking and screaming over the finish line for me the norm.

If you are having trouble with mechanics, you are more than welcome to ask about them. More than likely someone else who is more familiar with the fight will mark themselves as the Danger Dorito and move to the safe spots for you to follow. Couple this with removing the visual clutter from the Options and you can make a lot of the fights that much easier to do. Speaking up and asking about mechanics is VERY MUCH ENCOURAGED and the rest of us will be far more understanding for it.

Mechanics are not hard. However throwing yourself like the RDM I had was doing in the fights because they decided laying on the floor and timing out my raises for two whole minutes each in their tantrum was a much better option makes things MUCH harder for the rest of the group, like the damage-heavy stacks and dps checks.

If it comes down to it, stop dpsing and do the mechanic. It is much easier for a healer like myself to patch up raidwide damage over dumping another 2400 mp on scraping someone off the ground.

Did alliance roulette as warrior and got Labyrinth of the Ancients. First pull another tank grabs all aggro, even from other tanks. So I'm like ok and turn off stance so I don't case problems with spinning enemies, as soon as I do that our parties Dancer starts rudely telling me I need to my tank stance on, I tell why I don't and they are like what ever. Proceed though the raid without issues until we get to behemoth, draw knight away from group for first meteor and survive. Second meteor start coming down and didn't catch that boulder was slightly touching the boss hit box and I die, dancer immediately start calling be out saying I idiot for dying and explaining how the ring around the boss work. Told them that I'm not idiot and know how it works, just that miss it because I was focusing on finishing the knight. Dancer was like whatever you say man and we finally finished the final boss without issues, Immediately after the dancer say "hope you have better day, since need it" and left. I'm like "wtf"?.

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... and at least 5 times the RDM in our party let my raises time out. Yes. They let the Raise I dropped on them time out.

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Reminder that this is reportable, as it's against the rules. It would fall under "Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior." Basically intentionally being uncooperative or making content harder for others is against the rules, and you can get warned or even banned for it.

I genuinely cannot tell why some tanks get so far into the game but don't understand what provoke is.

I shouldn't be tanking the final boss of dumbwalk as a dps for half of the fight. Or tsukuyomi for that matter (with two non provoking tanks even).

I did Pharos Sirius hard once as a summoner, and it ended up taking close to 2 hours to complete due to a lot of mishaps. I turned out being likely the most experienced player in the group of sprouts, which is rare given I've played it for 5 months and am usually paired with people who've played it for a decade.

The healer bless them had probably just gotten their level 50 job gear and hadn't healed player's before (the tank kept dying) but the healer died more.

The DPS dragoon didn't realize adds in boss fights needed to be targeted.

I think I raised the healer about 8 times as summoner throughout the dungeon and at the final boss was raising both them and the DPS dragoon whilst frequently trying to keep the tank alive with a weak heal that's only good in the lv16 dungeon. (I didn't sign up to be healer!)

I was very patient and friendly because I know exactly how it is having to learn stuff in this game - and what it's like trying to learn when there's a d**k in the group. But I was glad to finish that dungeon. Got no commendations as memory serves but it doesn't matter, people probably just wanted to leave quick.

(I then ran that dungeon about 50 times unsynced to my despair for some gear, because RNGesus hated me)



One time on Tam Tara Deepcroft hard. I said hi, the group ignored me. The tank slapped me (?) then tried to pull the whole dungeon and caused a quick wipe. They then proceeded to pull the whole dungeon twice more under the illusion they're invincible. The healer couldn't have healed faster if she'd tried, and quickly got fed up and left, the DPS following suit. I told them they're pulling too much - the healer can't keep up, and left also. I think they're still in that dungeon.


Another Tam Tara Deepcroft hard one morning, had the biggest A hole of a healer I'd come across. They kept whinging at the group in a arrogant fashion and the other DPS bard (who may not have known the mechanics) was taking most the flack. The healer said "respect the strats!" and i said "they're not strats, they're mechanics, and you've explained them to the person poorly". In the end they said "this bard is a dumbass, you are stupid bro" to the bard. I wanted to have a go at them but they quickly left. I also tried to tell the bard to ignore them but they left. The tank was like "uh..gg..ty everyone" lol. I don't know why I tried to become a referee. Like why are you so angry at 6am dude? go back to sleep, don't play this game.

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Hullbreakers Isle. Twice when I've done that as DPS there was a wipe at the very start haha. Don't underestimate the mobs at the start of that one.

And Aurum Vale makes me laugh. Doesn't matter how long people have played this game. That dungeon tends to mess everyone up.

Did a leveling roulette and got the steel vigil.

Our healer was a white mage who was very...interesting....

She was level 52. Her gear was broken, and she didn't know why, or what she could do about it. She was also wearing daystar armor and i'm not even sure how you can still get that set. She also didn't really seem to know what her abilities were or how they worked.

We resolved the broken gear issue and killed the first boss, although it was rough going through the rest of it. She would also randomly cast holy nowhere near any mobs.

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She was also wearing daystar armor and i'm not even sure how you can still get that set.

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Oh it's easy, you get it from the hunt guy in each Grand Company, but more realistically for a new player, the 2.4 patch quests will hand out iLvl 110 gear every few quests, the way the rewards are spread out, you always pick between a piece of Noct, Astrum or Gloam gear, and between a piece of Auroral, Daystar, or Evenstar gear.

If you are asking how they can get the base version of the item over the Augmented version, it's because they can't, iLvl 110 tome gear didn't use the "Augmented" prefix for the improved version, it used a "Weathered" prefix for the base version, like this.

So today I had the most goddamn beautiful thing happen, Alliance Raid Roulette, LotA, you know the drill, everything is pretty normal at first...

We hit Thanatos... and Thanatos dies with over 10 seconds on the first ghost buff...

We hit Behemoth... and no deaths, everyone handles the entire meteor segment flawlessly...

And we finally hit Phleg... no deaths on the first A. Flare, Phleg walks back to his spot at just about 30% HP, I am still burning him the best I can expecting him to turn tail any moment for the second one, and... and... nothing, he just dies, that man didn't even get to think about casting Ancient Flare, to see LotA handled so flawlessly brings a tear to my eye...

And yes, you can go "Oh it's just LotA, of course it was easy...", and to that I say, my god you don't understand, I've had wiped in every single boss of that raid, I had wipes on Bone Dragon, some as early as this year, the degree to which the average player sucks is unreal, so to see even the most simple content be handled with such finesse is heartwarming to me.

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I was actually going to respond to a post there from Denji because I wanted to second it.

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if you're a new tank or you paid for boosts please please PLEASE keep in mind that once you stop your pull, you've stopped until everything's dead. you're wasting cooldowns, you're wasting combos and ley lines and ruining people's positionals and your impatience is actually making things take longer.

please, continue to make big pulls. but once you stop, you -stop-. casters especially don't like it when they have a few seconds to pop off a proc and you've already moved out of their range, nor do healers like it when you move out of their heal/shield aoes.

if you stop. just. fricking. stop. please.

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This is especially bad when I'm on AST and the tank moves everything out of my Earthly Star. :D

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This. When I was a new sprout playing WHM this drove me absolutely crazy: Tank would grab a trash group, I'd be working my heals and area effects... and then just as I'd be firing them off, tank would run on to "grab more enemies." Either stop, or keep running until you've grabbed wall-to-wall, and THEN stop, please. Really. (Even worse when the tank ended up dying because THEY ran out of my healing range, multiple times, and then yelled at ME for it.)

It got to the point where I switched to WAR myself, and found it much simpler to play, mostly. :D And yeah, if I'm new to a dungeon or haven't done it in a long time, I may take trash pulls one at a time... but I don't run off on my healers, and try to keep DPS directionals in mind, and if I have to dodge I try NOT to run to the BLM's layline "house," heh. (I will dodge an attack then go right back to my spot from before, if I can.)

And if someone stands in my tankbuster, I *try* to move a little to get them out of the effect if I can.

Also, impatient DPS, *please* let the tank get agro *first*. It's what we're there for: we're made to be the damage super-soaker sponges. :D

I' know I'm not the best tank out there, but I try to keep teamwork in mind: we ARE a team. (And I try to strategically use my couple of "heal/help others" actions to bolster my healer(s) when I can.)

PS: going in on big fights I first watch video guides to try to learn the mechanics; I fight better that way, heh.

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Did a leveling roulette and got the steel vigil.

Our healer was a white mage who was very...interesting....

She was level 52. Her gear was broken, and she didn't know why, or what she could do about it. She was also wearing daystar armor and i'm not even sure how you can still get that set. She also didn't really seem to know what her abilities were or how they worked.

We resolved the broken gear issue and killed the first boss, although it was rough going through the rest of it. She would also randomly cast holy nowhere near any mobs.

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Ouch. Reminds me of when I was a lower-level WHM and running Prae and kept dying to Gaius (after I'd had little problem on previous runs). My daughter goes, "Mom, what gear are you using, and do you have materia on it?" D'oh. I was several levels underpowered in the gear department: forgot to update it. Once I did, it went MUCH better. :D

There's a learning curve in this game, and if a newer player doesn't have friends who can point out "Hey, here's the problem and what you can do to fix it" issues... some people just can't seem to figure out what the problem IS. Often it's people who've never played an MMO before, or done much fight-game playing *period*. My daughter's a hella good teacher and coach, as are several others in our circle of friends. Helps a LOT. We share with each other things we learn.

Glad you were able to help that WHM get at least some of her problems straightened out. :)

It also sounds like maybe she did a first level buy-up, and then didn't bother with Hall of the Novice? Ouch.

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I did Pharos Sirius hard once as a summoner, and it ended up taking close to 2 hours to complete due to a lot of mishaps. I turned out being likely the most experienced player in the group of sprouts, which is rare given I've played it for 5 months and am usually paired with people who've played it for a decade.

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Snipped your descrip. for char. limit, but yegads. Patience and kindness, best kind of person to run with! Yay you!

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Got no commendations as memory serves but it doesn't matter, people probably just wanted to leave quick.

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Or they might not yet have *noticed* the commendation bar off to the side or realized what it is. Took me a while to get that, but was delighted when I found out what it was for and started using it whenever I could. (Also even now I'm not very good at reading chat in dungeons, but I do try. Sound alerts for vital messages help, even if they can be a tad annoying at times. I have trouble multitasking my focus to include chat as well as everything else I'm supposed to be watching on the screen.)

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...because RNGesus hated me...

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I am totally stealing that label, love it! (And have endured the RNGesus hate, too. Ask me about the gajillion solo unsynched runs on WHM for "Lost City of Amdapor" to try to get the music scroll.) :D

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I don't know why I tried to become a referee.

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Because clearly you're a nice person. TY!

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And Aurum Vale makes me laugh. Doesn't matter how long people have played this game. That dungeon tends to mess everyone up.

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I cannot think of Aurum Vale without seeing in my head the meme of a Snickers bar bitten into, with the Aurum Vale opening image inside it---meme talking about "Demonic doctored Halloween candy, watch out for your kids!" I still laugh at that one. And yeah, I will never ever pull wall-to-wall for AV, because it totally sucks for that. I sneak past as much trash as I can, and try to get party to do likewise.

One time as sprouts we had a family party going through AV, with it being 1st time for 2 of us. All of us but the (first-timer) Archer/Bard died, and they were in last room with all the baby morbols. We were hauling butt to try to get back TO them, and THEY were hauling butt to get back to US... and when they reached us we all burst out laughing, because they had a literal TRAIN of baby morbols chasing them. We laughed till we cried! Choo-choo! :D (Being on a voice chat and hearing each other laughing made it even better.)