FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Currently there are more positive reviews than negative, meaning the majority who left a review enjoyed the game.

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407 positive, 188 mixed, and 489 negative, you're on some serious cope.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

407 positive, 188 mixed, and 489 negative, you're on some serious cope.

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I'm referring to Steam reviews, which should be obvious from the context given the entire last page of this thread is about Steam reviews.

2540 positive vs 2248 negative reviews

Goalpost has finally moved from "this is critically acclaimed" to "53% of people are OK with this!!"

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Goalpost has finally moved from "this is critically acclaimed" to "53% of people are OK with this!!"

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Absolutely! You're an expert when it comes to moving goalposts!

52% of people enjoying a game is generally not something you brag about when said game is an expansion as part of a game that has been running for over a decade.

Forspoken has 64% for positive reviews.

Do with that what you will.

The majority of steam reviews liked the game. Sorry but that's just a fact. It doesn't vibe with the Dawntrail haters narrative but if you think these Steam reviews are at all valuable as a weather vane you need to be able to accept this as true.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I'm referring to Steam reviews, which should be obvious from the context given the entire last page of this thread is about Steam reviews.

2540 positive vs 2248 negative reviews

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So 4,788 reviews total, giving it a score of 2540/4788, which is about 53%
I don't think this is the Win you think it is, thats a failing grade no matter what metric you use.

Funny enough 5.3 is the exact rating it has on Metacritic right now, so that just goes further into validating Steam Charts as a real sample size.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

So 4,788 reviews total, giving it a score of 2540/4788, which is about 53%
I don't think this is the Win you think it is, thats a failing grade no matter what metric you use.

Funny enough 5.3 is the exact rating it has on Metacritic right now, so that just goes further into validating Steam Charts as a real sample size.

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All I'm saying is the majority of players liked Dawntrail and the people who didn't like it are a minority.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

All I'm saying is the majority of players liked Dawntrail and the people who didn't like it are a minority.

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Not even steam itself dares to say that, you need a 70% or higher to be considered "mostly positive" because the people who dislike the game are more likely to leave in apathy than leave a review. Quoting CBU3 itself "a complaint is worth twice a compliment".

53% positive on Steam is below failures like Forspoken (64%), Suicide Squad KTJL (63%) or Dragon Age the Veilguard (69%)

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Not even steam itself dares to say that, you need a 70% or higher to be considered "mostly positive" because the people who dislike the game are more likely to leave in apathy than leave a review. Quoting CBU3 itself "a complaint is worth twice a compliment".

53% positive on Steam is below failures like Forspoken (64%), Suicide Squad KTJL (63%) or Dragon Age the Veilguard (69%)

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Sorry I know it's frightening but it's true. More people left positive reviews on Steam. The negative reviews are a minority.

Guys don't be mean and ignore that 3%, it's all she has :(

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Originally Posted by Exmo

The majority of steam reviews liked the game. Sorry but that's just a fact. It doesn't vibe with the Dawntrail haters narrative but if you think these Steam reviews are at all valuable as a weather vane you need to be able to accept this as true.

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Sure,

It also means that the expansion is a mixed reviewed expansion, by both Steam and Metacritic metrics.

52/53% is higher people liking it than not, but it certainly isn't a good outcome by any stretch of the imagination.

At this point you're just making the argument for people that actually don't like Dawntrail or find it to be a mixed reception....

Thank you for highlighting that Dawntrail has mixed reception.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Sorry I know it's frightening but it's true. More people left positive reviews on Steam. The negative reviews are a minority.

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A minority is a small percentage. 47% is not small. Its a near 50/50 split. Dawntrail is a mixed reception at best.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

A minority is a small percentage. 47% is not small. Its a near 50/50 split. Dawntrail is a mixed reception at best.

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According to Oxford English Dictionary, minority is defined as "the smaller number or part, especially a number or part representing less than half of the whole."
47% is less than half of the whole, making it a pretty clear minority.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

According to Oxford English Dictionary, minority is defined as "the smaller number or part, especially a number or part representing less than half of the whole."
47% is less than half of the whole, making it a pretty clear minority.

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Girl, the expansion was straight-up sh-t. The end.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Girl, the expansion was straight-up sh-t. The end.

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The majority of players disagree with you :)

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Originally Posted by Exmo

The majority of players disagree with you :)

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Arent you done trolling yet ?

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Originally Posted by Clockworks

Arent you done trolling yet ?

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No they aren't, these people literally all appeared right after the live letter to counter the "dooming".

And the % doesn't matter. If it's above 50% they'll say "MAJORITAH"

If it's below 50% they'll say "REVIEW BOMB"

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Originally Posted by Exmo

According to Oxford English Dictionary, minority is defined as "the smaller number or part, especially a number or part representing less than half of the whole."
47% is less than half of the whole, making it a pretty clear minority.

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I love the way you think.

I would not eat at a restaurant with a 53% positive rating though.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

I love the way you think.

I would not eat at a restaurant with a 53% positive rating though.

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Thanks! Videogames are not restaurants though. It's not like steam reviews mean Dawntrail is 53% good, that's not how it works. If I was curious about a game that I heard was devisive and learned most people liked it, I'd be encouraged to play it.

First 53% = majority, now 53% = most

LMAO you really cannot make this shit up

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

First 53% = majority, now 53% = most

LMAO you really cannot make this shit up

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Oxford English Dictionary defines "most" as "greatest in amount, quantity, or degree."
53 is a greater portion of 100 than 47 because 53 is what's known as a "larger number". Happy to have cleared this up for you :)

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Thanks! Videogames are not restaurants though. It's not like steam reviews mean Dawntrail is 53% good, that's not how it works. If I was curious about a game that I heard was devisive and learned most people liked it, I'd be encouraged to play it.

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I also would not buy a game with a 53% rating if I was looking for a new game to play. Hope I cleansed your confusion.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

I also would not buy a game with a 53% rating if I was looking for a new game to play. Hope I cleansed your confusion.

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You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

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You have no idea how to judge player rating, do you? It’s a flop both from a publisher and developer point. No amount of copium would change that.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

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You realize that even the people who gave Dawntrail a "good" score, as in, literally any number above a 5/10 by these metrics, often talk about how they still gave it over a 50% score just because they enjoyed the battle content and still had fun in spite of the abysmal story, yeah? The PC Gamer review and other major outlets pretty much spent the whole review talking about how disappointed they were and still gave it a 7/10 because something-something games journalism blah-blah capitalism (I'm not going into that). Or they're just reactionary people assuming the only reason anyone could possible hate this expansion is because of a voice actor (it's not, that not even an issue I and most others have with the expansion).

But because some people have decided to make this an identity politics team sports thing, we have a small but loud group of people who only ever talk about this game as either "WUK LAMAT BAD" and "NUH-UH WUK LAMAT GOOD." Read some of the actual good faith reviews with a shred of nuance and thought put into it, positive or negative, and you will see that the vast majority of people (that means way over 50%, just to be clear), at minimum, did not enjoy the story this time around, but still gave it an overall positive review because they liked the fights and the graphics update.

A 53% approval rating of anything is not good. In no universe is that considered good. Not for a video game. Not for a restaurant. Not for a politician. Not for a hair salon. Not for a test score. Not for an job. Not for a review of some cheap crap of Temu. Not for satisfaction with a surgical outcome. About the only thing 53% is any good for is getting a bill passed in congress in a nation with a pretty broken political system, so I don't think that's a point in its favor either.

Enjoy your copium, I'm glad someone's having fun, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

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Okay thanks for roesplaining. I would not buy a game with a review score of 53%. It's a really bad look.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

You realize that even the people who gave Dawntrail a "good" score, as in, literally any number above a 5/10 by these metrics, often talk about how they still gave it over a 50% score just because they enjoyed the battle content and still had fun in spite of the abysmal story, yeah? The PC Gamer review and other major outlets pretty much spent the whole review talking about how disappointed they were and still gave it a 7/10 because something-something games journalism blah-blah capitalism (I'm not going into that). Or they're just reactionary people assuming the only reason anyone could possible hate this expansion is because of a voice actor (it's not, that not even an issue I and most others have with the expansion).

But because some people have decided to make this an identity politics team sports thing, we have a small but loud group of people who only ever talk about this game as either "WUK LAMAT BAD" and "NUH-UH WUK LAMAT GOOD." Read some of the actual good faith reviews with a shred of nuance and thought put into it, positive or negative, and you will see that the vast majority of people (that means way over 50%, just to be clear), at minimum, did not enjoy the story this time around, but still gave it an overall positive review because they liked the fights and the graphics update.

A 53% approval rating of anything is not good. In no universe is that considered good. Not for a video game. Not for a restaurant. Not for a politician. Not for a hair salon. Not for a test score. Not for an job. Not for a review of some cheap crap of Temu. Not for satisfaction with a surgical outcome. About the only thing 53% is any good for is getting a bill passed in congress in a nation with a pretty broken political system, so I don't think that's a point in its favor either.

Enjoy your copium, I'm glad someone's having fun, I guess.

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Your earnest explanation is wasted on white knights. There's a reason why they almost never talk about the actual game and spend most of their time talking about tangential, pointless issues like how to define "most".

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I'm referring to Steam reviews, which should be obvious from the context given the entire last page of this thread is about Steam reviews.

2540 positive vs 2248 negative reviews

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Thread title doesn't say steam reviews though, does it?

If you're going to nitpick to make yourself feel smart, at least show that you're smart in your responses.

Also, 53% is NOT a good percentage for positive reviews on a game trying to make money. I don't know what your schooling taught you, but common sense wasn't one of those things.

According to the Oxford English Dictonary, Average is defined as " the result of adding several amounts together, finding a total, and dividing the total by the number of amounts"
53% is the average of every review across both Steam and Metacritic, making it pretty clear its the Average review score assigned by the communites that use those respective websites.

Thus Dawntrail roughly translates to a 2.5 star Resturant

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

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Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

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Next time you order food, order from a 2.5 rated restaurant instead of a 4.5 or 5 stars one, and come back to tell us how great it is. Some people enjoy mediocrity or tolerate bad food, that doesnt mean the food in itself is good, just that some people tolerated it for different reasons, maybe it was late and it was the only thing open, or any other reason.

At this point I’d rather blindly trust Asmongold’s hot takes than some dinosaur gaming magazines or established websites.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

Thread title doesn't say steam reviews though, does it?

If you're going to nitpick to make yourself feel smart, at least show that you're smart in your responses.

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The entire conversation prior to my first message here was taking about Steam reviews for AGES. I point out steam reviews are mostly positive, and you pretend like nobody was talking about Steam reviews? Dawntrail haters are so disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

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They're coping hard :D :D it really hurts their world view to see that most people enjoyed Dawntrail. Trying to pretend an aggregate of a binary thumbs up/down system is the same as a single reviewers' opinion, comparing videogames to school exams and restaurants... yeah and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bicycle :D :D

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

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Its not that people take issue with people actually having enjoyed Dawntrail, I think. Most people I read (exceptions always exist, people are people) take issue with their criticism of Dawntrail being attributed to "being a hater", and their valid criticisms being swatted off with a reasoning similar to "i enjoyed it so it must have been a you problem" or "enough people liked it", arguments that insist upon themselves.

Its absolutely okay to have enjoyed Dawntrail, but having enjoyed something does not mean that criticisms of said thing are automatically invalid. People criticizing the product still care, after all. And looking at the reception of the expansion, Dawntrail is definitely not ubiquitously loved.

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Originally Posted by Clockworks

Next time you order food, order from a 2.5 rated restaurant instead of a 4.5 or 5 stars one, and come back to tell us how great it is. Some people enjoy mediocrity or tolerate bad food, that doesnt mean the food in itself is good, just that some people tolerated it for different reasons, maybe it was late and it was the only thing open, or any other reason.

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I get what you're saying - but you've proven my point in a sense. "Tolerated" - but you completely discount the idea that some may have actually enjoyed it.

And to be clear, I have mixed feelings about it. I actually enjoyed it for the most part, but certainly took issue with a fair few elements of the story.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Its not that people take issue with people actually having enjoyed Dawntrail, I think. Most people I read (exceptions always exist, people are people) take issue with their criticism of Dawntrail being attributed to "being a hater", and their valid criticisms being swatted off with a reasoning similar to "i enjoyed it so it must have been a you problem" or "enough people liked it", arguments that insist upon themselves.

Its absolutely okay to have enjoyed Dawntrail, but having enjoyed something does not mean that criticisms of said thing are automatically invalid. People criticizing the product still care, after all. And looking at the reception of the expansion, Dawntrail is definitely not ubiquitously loved.

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Agreed - but by the same token, can you direct me to any thread that discusses DT in a positive light that wasn't quickly overrun by negative responses? I would assume not, since DT was poorly received and there are very few threads of that nature to read. But for the few there are....

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Originally Posted by Clockworks

Next time you order food, order from a 2.5 rated restaurant instead of a 4.5 or 5 stars one, and come back to tell us how great it is. Some people enjoy mediocrity or tolerate bad food, that doesnt mean the food in itself is good, just that some people tolerated it for different reasons, maybe it was late and it was the only thing open, or any other reason.

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There are people who would rate a cockroach infested restaurant serving burnt steak with spoiled ketchup a 5 out of 5 because they are worried a 1 star would hurt the restaurant owner's feelings. A 2.5 is actually abysmal in the modern rating culture where everyone pretty much gets a 5 for free or 4 if there's a catastrophe.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Agreed - but by the same token, can you direct me to any thread that discusses DT in a positive light that wasn't quickly overrun by negative responses? I would assume not, since DT was poorly received and there are very few threads of that nature to read. But for the few there are....

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Quite frankly, no, I am unable to direct you to any such thread, knowing there is none. And I am fairly certain that even if one were to create a constructive thread with a title like like "let us discuss the things that we enjoyed about DT's story", that would still attract people writing something along the lines of "the credit roll olololol", or talking down about things some people see as positive.
That also is kinda the nature of a forum - you put your opinions on a table for all to see, and said opinion will be challenged by others. These things can just go in either way, just look at the Healer strike thread with its huge, lengthy discussions not just about healer design, but also about how efficient such a strike can even be.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Quite frankly, no, I am unable to direct you to any such thread, knowing there is none.

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Dude after three expansions of people pointing out legitimate issues with the game being shut down Twitter ratio-dunking style who gives a shit that the tides have finally turned for once??

Like eat your own medicine lmfao

White knights complaining about positive threads meeting negative replies is the MOST HILARIOUS complaint when the opposite have been instigated BY THE VERY SAME PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Dude after three expansions of people pointing out legitimate issues with the game being shut down Twitter ratio-dunking style who gives a shit that the tides have finally turned for once??

Like eat your own medicine lmfao

White knights complaining about positive threads meeting negative replies is the MOST HILARIOUS complaint when the opposite have been instigated BY THE VERY SAME PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS

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eh, you can call me a big softie cause I usually don't enjoy dunking on people. I'd rather keep dunking on CS3 and holding them accountable for their shit decisions and products.

Now that the story stopped distracting the masses from the rest of the product it at least makes people aware of the product they are being sold. Seeing how the perception of CS3 and Yoshi-PR as a "benevolent developer" has flipped for many, with people finally opening their eyes to the slop to the point of the ffxiv subreddit even openly being critical is very satisfying though.