Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

Someone doesn't understand what an elitist actually is, what a shame.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

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Originally Posted by FireMage

By all means, find me a party that is on my level and I'll be more than happy to embarrass you further. Until then you are better seen and not heard, dismissed

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hi, if i may, i have some feedback

your party isn't holding you back, in your best p8sp2 clear you didn't use verraise at all and your rdps contribution given from embolden is only ~200 less than in a rank 1 log - its not the best, but its still serviceable to hit orange at least

your issues are:
a) barely 95% gcd uptime, this is the main contributor
b) another big contributor is the loss of a manafication usage as you're not rushing it (using it on cooldown, including in downtime). aligning it with raid buffs sounds like a good idea on paper, but its causing you to lose a melee combo over the course of the fight, which is a much bigger loss than you'll gain by having perfect buff windows
c) perfect buff windows leads me into the next point - your buff windows should contain a full combo and a set of finishers (verflare/holy+scorch+resolution) if you're aligning manafication with embolden. you didn't achieve this once, with the closest attempt being your 4:50 window (natural alignment 2) where you used embolden before the start of your first combo and managed to fit a verholy and a verflare in it
d) lazy drift of contre sixte causing a lost usage in the fight (mainly caused by not getting it on cd before high concept 1)
e) same as above with corps-a-corps and engagement but this is a bit more understandable - you'd have to change your opener to be able to get them off before high concept 1 (i'd advocate for double weaving pot with fleche or contre sixte in your opener or simply moving the potion to 2:40 after high concept 1 to accommodate this)

feel free to look up my character if you feel like you need to verify the credibility of my advice, and i'm happy to answer followup questions should you have them

glhf!

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I already know how to play thanks. When your party wipes you for over an hour and a half you stop trying to optimize as you don't have the energy to do so

And I am not the topic of discussion here, bads are toxic casualism are. Get back on track

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I already know how to play thanks. When your party wipes you for over an hour and a half you stop trying to optimize as you don't have the energy to do so

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i appreciate that wiping is tiring but if you took the advice in earnest instead of making a defensive reply to someone genuinely trying to help, you'd probably be better off - lots of the points are still applicable even in the first few pulls of your hour long session.

best of luck in the future though, i hope you find the right group for you eventually!

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Originally Posted by Mazz1

i appreciate that wiping is tiring but if you took the advice in earnest instead of making a defensive reply to someone genuinely trying to help, you'd probably be better off - lots of the points are still applicable even in the first few pulls of your hour long session.

best of luck in the future though, i hope you find the right group for you eventually!

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Again, know how to play, at a very high end in fact. Again, not the subject of this topic. Again, address the actual issue

I don't pvp, but my friends do, and they'll show me like... a sort of ranked tally sheet at the end of each match, where it shows who got how many kills, how much damage you dished out in total, etc. I don't know what to call this thing, but I wish we had something similar in PvE. It could even include other metrics besides damage, like number of people you ressed so that all the red mages and summoners who waste time ressing dead people can actually get some appreciation for it. Maybe it could have multiple tabs, even. Like, a tab for damage, a tab for support, and a tab for the tanks who didn't turn on their stance at all for the entire 30 minute alliance raid and had to be told to separate adds and provoke a boss that was running wild after the MT died because despite having 1 job, 2 off-tanks just couldn't be bothered to do it.

Frankly, since it's already in the game for pvp, I don't see the ethical reason for not having it in pve. Everyone's acting like people will melt down and cry if the end of the duty reveals that they didn't do jack shit. Maybe contribute if you're worried about that.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Everyone's acting like people will melt down and cry if the end of the duty reveals that they didn't do jack shit.

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I don't consider myself to be particularly good at this game to be honest, but some of the players I've seen in the past 5 or so years would make me cry for them.

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Originally Posted by Mazz1

hi, if i may, i have some feedback

your party isn't holding you back, in your best p8sp2 clear you didn't use verraise at all and your rdps contribution given from embolden is only ~200 less than in a rank 1 log - its not the best, but its still serviceable to hit orange at least

your issues are:
a) barely 95% gcd uptime, this is the main contributor
b) another big contributor is the loss of a manafication usage as you're not rushing it (using it on cooldown, including in downtime). aligning it with raid buffs sounds like a good idea on paper, but its causing you to lose a melee combo over the course of the fight, which is a much bigger loss than you'll gain by having perfect buff windows
c) perfect buff windows leads me into the next point - your buff windows should contain a full combo and a set of finishers (verflare/holy+scorch+resolution) if you're aligning manafication with embolden. you didn't achieve this once, with the closest attempt being your 4:50 window (natural alignment 2) where you used embolden before the start of your first combo and managed to fit a verholy and a verflare in it
d) lazy drift of contre sixte causing a lost usage in the fight (mainly caused by not getting it on cd before high concept 1)
e) same as above with corps-a-corps and engagement but this is a bit more understandable - you'd have to change your opener to be able to get them off before high concept 1 (i'd advocate for double weaving pot with fleche or contre sixte in your opener or simply moving the potion to 2:40 after high concept 1 to accommodate this)

feel free to look up my character if you feel like you need to verify the credibility of my advice, and i'm happy to answer followup questions should you have them

glhf!

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In p6s out of his 12 clears, only 5 of them were clean. The other 7 clears he had 6 clears with damage downs and of those 6, 4 of them had one or more deaths. The one clear of those 7 he didn't have a damage down he had two deaths.

And of course when he gets called out on it, he posts a comment like the below quote.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people messing up and I hate using meters/logs in such a manner, but I love the irony of people like FireMage who advocate for meters so they can "kick out the bads" cuz he thinks he's a "high end" player and its never his fault when things go wrong, but the logs shows how inconsistent he is and by his own standards people would be kicking him out lol.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Again, know how to play, at a very high end in fact. Again, not the subject of this topic. Again, address the actual issue

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Originally Posted by Ransu

In p6s out of his 12 clears, only 5 of them were clean. The other 7 clears he had 6 clears with damage downs and of those 6, 4 of them had one or more deaths. The one clear of those 7 he didn't have a damage down he had two deaths.

And of course when he gets called out on it, he posts a comment like the below quote.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people messing up and I hate using meters/logs in such a manner, but I love the irony of people like FireMage who advocate for meters so they can "kick out the bads" cuz he thinks he's a "high end" player and its never his fault when things go wrong, but the logs shows how inconsistent he is and by his own standards people would be kicking him out lol.

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This specifically is false. His logs are already out in the open. If this thing would happen to the extent you and many in this thread claim when an official parser was added then firemage would have already been kicked.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

This specifically is false. His logs are already out in the open. If this thing would happen to the extent you and many in this thread claim when an official parser was added then firemage would have already been kicked.

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FFLOGS is a 3rd party site that most PF's don't pay attention to. The story changes completely when all that information is displayed in game. Also, the statement is by "his standards" meaning if we went by his ridiculous frame of mind that having a meter in game means he can just "kick out all the bads" then by his own logic people would be doing it to him. My entire point was don't act like some big shot, when in reality you're just average, which is FINE btw. Most people that do end game are very much just average or slightly above it, but the last thing we need is ridiculous tools built in game creating obnoxious circle jerks of average players blaming each other over nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

FFLOGS is a 3rd party site that most PF's don't pay attention to. The story changes completely when all that information is displayed in game. Also, the statement is by "his standards" meaning if we went by his ridiculous frame of mind that having a meter in game means he can just "kick out all the bads" then by his own logic people would be doing it to him. My entire point was don't act like some big shot, when in reality you're just average, which is FINE btw. Most people that do end game are very much just average or slightly above it, but the last thing we need is ridiculous tools built in game creating obnoxious circle jerks of average players blaming each other over nonsense.

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Why are you bringing up PFs? It appears firemage is part of a static (which you are surely aware of). Statics already look at logs all the time during recruitment. And still he hasnt been kicked. Not that PFs dont look at logs, it's perfectly within their power to look at someone's logs and kick them if they choose to and many people do. It's not even effort. It's just not a lot of PFs care.

Earlier in this thread you've also claimed that he was carried but have failed to provide proof for that claim.

I think I've posted about this already, but they don't even need to add their own damage meter. Just make it not a bannable offense to use the existing ones and they're golden. Wouldn't even take any developer effort in that case. Of course, you would still ban people who use this data to be jerks.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Why are you bringing up PFs? It appears firemage is part of a static (which you are surely aware of). Statics already look at logs all the time during recruitment. And still he hasnt been kicked. Not that PFs dont look at logs, it's perfectly within their power to look at someone's logs and kick them if they choose to and many people do. It's not even effort. It's just not a lot of PFs care.

Earlier in this thread you've also claimed that he was carried but have failed to provide proof for that claim.

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He was carried...literally look at what I posted with his p6s stuff lol. More than half his clears had damage downs and multiple deaths.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

In p6s out of his 12 clears, only 5 of them were clean. The other 7 clears he had 6 clears with damage downs and of those 6, 4 of them had one or more deaths. The one clear of those 7 he didn't have a damage down he had two deaths.

And of course when he gets called out on it, he posts a comment like the below quote.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people messing up and I hate using meters/logs in such a manner, but I love the irony of people like FireMage who advocate for meters so they can "kick out the bads" cuz he thinks he's a "high end" player and its never his fault when things go wrong, but the logs shows how inconsistent he is and by his own standards people would be kicking him out lol.

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a good ol' case of "check the logs" to call out on peoples bs.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

He was carried...literally look at what I posted with his p6s stuff lol. More than half his clears had damage downs and multiple deaths.

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You clearly dont understand what it means to be carried. For someone to be carried, there also needs to be someone to carry them. If everyone plays at the same level within the same group, nobody is getting carried. You dont need to prove someone is making mistakes or playing badly, you need to prove that everyone else is playing vastly better. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

You clearly dont understand what it means to be carried. For someone to be carried, there also needs to be someone to carry them. If everyone plays at the same level within the same group, nobody is getting carried. You dont need to prove someone is making mistakes or playing badly, you need to prove that everyone else is playing vastly better. Try again.

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Making the same mistakes over and over and being a general burden = being carried.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Making the same mistakes over and over and being a general burden = being carried.

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That is incorrect. You can not be carried without someone there to carry you.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

That is incorrect. You can not be carried without someone there to carry you.

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lol ok cupcake.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Personally, I don't have a problem with people messing up and I hate using meters/logs in such a manner, but I love the irony of people like FireMage who advocate for meters so they can "kick out the bads" cuz he thinks he's a "high end" player and its never his fault when things go wrong, but the logs shows how inconsistent he is and by his own standards people would be kicking him out lol.

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We all dislike FireMage but let's be realistic because that's not how it works. While he has room for improvement, his logs wouldn't get him kicked and dying or getting damage downs is a part of raiding. I'm mentioning this so others don't read your post and think "well I should definitely never go near PF". Raiders really aren't that fussy. We just want our team members to be willing to learn and improve and want to contribute their best.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

We all dislike FireMage but let's be realistic because that's not how it works. While he has room for improvement, his logs wouldn't get him kicked and dying or getting damage downs is a part of raiding. I'm mentioning this so others don't read your post and think "well I should definitely never go near PF". Raiders really aren't that fussy. We just want our team members to be willing to learn and improve and want to contribute their best.

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You wont get coherent logic from that person. They fail to back up any of their claims.

I live rent free in Ransu's head. T-cup doesn't actually understand how fflogs works and thinks it only records kills

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

We all dislike FireMage but let's be realistic because that's not how it works. While he has room for improvement, his logs wouldn't get him kicked and dying or getting damage downs is a part of raiding. I'm mentioning this so others don't read your post and think "well I should definitely never go near PF". Raiders really aren't that fussy. We just want our team members to be willing to learn and improve and want to contribute their best.

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I'm simply using his own words. Not saying things in a realistic manner, but in "his" world where "bads should be kicked out" he would qualify as one of those. Simply pointing out the irony is all.

That said, getting damage downs is part of progression when you're learning the fight. If more than half your clears have them that's not a good thing. Like I'm hot garbage as a black mage and I don't have a single clear with a damage down in p6s.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I live rent free in Ransu's head. T-cup doesn't actually understand how fflogs works and thinks it only records kills

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Clears are the only ones that matter. I also think its funny that when people call you out on your hypocrisy its "you don't understand how fflogs work" or some other idiotic excuse lmao.

Lets be real here though. FFLOGS should by default be privatizing players logs and meters will never be part of the game officially. That information is no one else's busisness.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Clears are the only ones that matter. I also think its funny that when people call you out on your hypocrisy its "you don't understand how fflogs work" or some other idiotic excuse lmao.

Lets be real here though. FFLOGS should by default be privatizing players logs and meters will never be part of the game officially. That information is no one else's busisness.

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Garbage mentality. Someone has never done Ultimate. And no, everyone should be public, with no way to hide them. Dismissed

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Garbage mentality. Someone has never done Ultimate. And no, everyone should be public, with no way to hide them. Dismissed

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This isn't some pro league competitive game buddy. I've competed at the top in fighting games so I know what a real competitive mentality is, but I could care less about someone's parse numbers in an MMO with some of the most casual end game out there including ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

This isn't some pro league competitive game buddy. I've competed at the top in fighting games so I know what a real competitive mentality is, but I could care less about someone's parse numbers in an MMO with some of the most casual end game out there including ultimates.

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Imagine calling Ultimates casual. Also you should care, carrying others should not be something you do

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

We all dislike FireMage but let's be realistic because that's not how it works. While he has room for improvement, his logs wouldn't get him kicked and dying or getting damage downs is a part of raiding. I'm mentioning this so others don't read your post and think "well I should definitely never go near PF". Raiders really aren't that fussy. We just want our team members to be willing to learn and improve and want to contribute their best.

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Saying raiders "aren't this fussy" in a 39 page thread where raiders are asking for damage meters so they can kick people they think are bad at the game from content is pretty ironic to be honest.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Saying raiders "aren't this fussy" in a 39 page thread where raiders are asking for damage meters so they can kick people they think are bad at the game from content is pretty ironic to be honest.

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That's a very weird perception of this thread now, isnt it? :)

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Saying raiders "aren't this fussy" in a 39 page thread where raiders are asking for damage meters so they can kick people they think are bad at the game from content is pretty ironic to be honest.

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Not think are bad, are bad

I'd say put damage meters in Savage and Ultimate. No other content needs that imo

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Saying raiders "aren't this fussy" in a 39 page thread where raiders are asking for damage meters so they can kick people they think are bad at the game from content is pretty ironic to be honest.

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Disingenuous, the post.

i guess as long as someone would use dps meter to kick someone from somewhere

we shouldnt have those, kicking sux. you may say "then they should git gud"

but how is anyone supposed to gid gut if they just get kicked out of places?

"This is why we can't have nice things."

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

i guess as long as someone would use dps meter to kick someone from somewhere

we shouldnt have those, kicking sux. you may say "then they should git gud"

but how is anyone supposed to gid gut if they just get kicked out of places?

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Striking dummies. The vast majority of low DPS comes from players not using their job actions properly. Even if you don't want to go through the balance or look up rotations, you should still be able to piece together an acceptable rotation, utilising all the actions available to you. Just going from a DRG only using Heaven's Thrust combo (and yes, I have seen that) to one that alternates between Heaven's Thrust and Chaotic Spring is going to be a relatively massive gain, start adding in LotD and suddenly their DPS has jumped up again. Knowing your job basics and getting used to them on a striking dummy is going to do far more for someone than trying to learn in a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

i guess as long as someone would use dps meter to kick someone from somewhere

we shouldnt have those, kicking sux. you may say "then they should git gud"

but how is anyone supposed to gid gut if they just get kicked out of places?

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It's like you can learn how to play by looking things up or something

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

i guess as long as someone would use dps meter to kick someone from somewhere

we shouldnt have those, kicking sux. you may say "then they should git gud"

but how is anyone supposed to gid gut if they just get kicked out of places?

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Community resources are quite extensive. Dont go into savage or ex pfs if you have 0 clue on how to play your job.

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Originally Posted by Kansene

Unlike driving cars through crowds of people, players will be quick to normalize judging and flaming using dps meters.
Having these metrics available will give more people something to point at and exclaim "this person is shit, let's kick them".
More people will be made aware of the disctepancy between jobs and it's going to foster a community where exclusion and minmaxing takes presedence over everything else even among casuals. If you glance over at a certain other MMO, people are getting kicked from leveling dungeons for playing the wrong spec because icyveins and their own sweaty dps meters say they suck.

I'd say this is down to a design problem though, anyone who wants to do a week 1 clear probably feels forced to use them because god forbid you use abilities in a slightly suboptimal order twice in a fight and cause a dps check fail.
And people want to emulate the top raidrs so it trickles down.

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Sound to me you never played WoW. seriously I've been playing since WoLK and never seen ANYONE get kick out of a LEVELING dungeon cause of spec. Only happend in certain PUG that where memed at cause they usually had terrible player anyway. Also yea, I'd like a tool that let me improve my dps and let me see if someone is deadweight. If the SAM got less dps than the healer I'd like to know.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

i guess as long as someone would use dps meter to kick someone from somewhere

we shouldnt have those, kicking sux. you may say "then they should git gud"

but how is anyone supposed to gid gut if they just get kicked out of places?

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there tons of vids explaining mechanics of every fight, dungeon and trial in all difficulty. Plus, DPS chart or not, people usually tell if they accept people who don't know mechanics or not in the Party finder.

Just sound to me you want to be carried for the reward with no repercution if you play badly.