VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Got to sadly say I gave SE my money for a fanta. I adore Viera, I do, but waiting for female Hrothgar (which are going to be limited, I understand) on another limited race is eating at me.

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I really don't blame you, it does get too much and sometimes a break from restricted races is needed (Your character looks lovely btw).

I'm waiting for the live letter for the 18th of February but I doubt any questions in regards to Viera/Hrothgar will make it to Yoshi... I checked the 'Ask a question' thread and these two races aren't even mentioned until 15 pages in, the next time someone inquires about them is like page 26.

Honestly, I'd feel more at ease if a dev just dropped by this forum and said "Hey - saw this. It's not ignored"

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Agreed, why should the majority be deprived of a well-designed attractive lioness race in favor of female roegadyn 2.0?

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They wouldn't....
We all want a well-designed attractive lioness race
Just alot of us want them to follow suit that If the Male Hrothgar are gonna have Male Roe Bodies, then the Females Should also have FemRoe Bodies.
Consistency.

Plus, Lioness's in the Wild are Big and Tough like the Males, so we want that Replicated.
We aren't asking for FemRoe 2.0.
We want a good looking Tough 'Sexy' Female Counterpart to the 'Sexy' Bara Males

All we want is for them not to be Human-faced. Because then Whats the Point of making a "Beast Race" if you wont Commit to both Genders?
It'll kill the race because then its literally Miqote 2.0

I know this isn't the topic to discuss this...but hey, have to say my peace since im one of the supporters looking foreword to FemHroth Queens. In 2 freaking Years

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Originally Posted by Hreland

I guess I'm the only one, who enjoys playing my Hrothgar?

However, I do wish there were more head pieces for my character to wear.

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Never once wanted to Fantasia my Hrothgar, even for a moment. I wouldn't even if *I* were paid to do so. But, yes, I want to see more options for them, too.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

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They wouldn't....
We all want a well-designed attractive lioness race
Just alot of us want them to follow suit that If the Male Hrothgar are gonna have Male Roe Bodies, then the Females Should also have FemRoe Bodies.
Consistency.

Plus, Lioness's in the Wild are Big and Tough like the Males, so we want that Replicated.
We aren't asking for FemRoe 2.0.
We want a good looking Tough 'Sexy' Female Counterpart to the 'Sexy' Bara Males

All we want is for them not to be Human-faced. Because then Whats the Point of making a "Beast Race" if you wont Commit to both Genders?
It'll kill the race because then its literally Miqote 2.0

I know this isn't the topic to discuss this...but hey, have to say my peace since im one of the supporters looking foreword to FemHroth Queens. In 2 freaking Years

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You say '' we '' but there is no actual legit statistics on this and what people want, going by current races tho and their popularity chances are what most people want doesn't align with what you want here tbh.
Just going by the forums isn't a good idea either to get a good view of this.
Whether it's official forums or subreddits they're infamous for not actually aligning with the average player at all a lot of devs for other games have acknowledged this.
I know that Riot has before, their subreddit isn't an accurate representation of the results they get on widespread surveys and research at all or what they actually see reflected in the game from the players.

And Au'Ra being similar didn't kill the race.
If anything it'd actually make it more popular if it's '' Miqo'te 2.0 '' if we're being a bit real here.

Highlander body, maybe scaled up a bit, would make FHrothgar more appealing due to having a more feminine body shape while being more muscled/built.

I personally do like femroes, and I think they definitely can look good, so there are possibilities that could work imo. Also in regards to Hroths sharing the base Roe model, it is lore consistent now because in Bozja the descendent of Gunnhildr is a Roegadyn, so they must be relatively closely linked.

Then again, I'm also of the opinion that none of the races they've added since the beginning are really "good." Au Ra are hit or miss, Viera are blatantly oversexualized and have the helmet/hat issue, and Hrothgar are fairly bland and also have some design issues. The game really just needs a character customization overhaul.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

And Au'Ra being similar didn't kill the race.
If anything it'd actually make it more popular if it's '' Miqo'te 2.0 '' if we're being a bit real here.

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It would make Female Hrothgar more popular, absolutely. But still Miqo'te 2.0 isn't necessary and it wouldn't make sense.. We have plenty of stereotypically attractive races, a whole variety of them. The only people in the community who haven't been catered to are those who wish to play an actual beast-like female race. At this point we shouldn't want them to be Miqo'te 2.0 for the sake of popularity, we should want a race that fits with the Male Hrothgar, so at least everyone in the community has a race that appeals to them, whether it be a minority or majority.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

It would make Female Hrothgar more popular, absolutely. But still Miqo'te 2.0 isn't necessary and it wouldn't make sense.. We have plenty of stereotypically attractive races, a whole variety of them. The only people in the community who haven't been catered to are those who wish to play an actual beast-like female race. At this point we shouldn't want them to be Miqo'te 2.0 for the sake of popularity, we should want a race that fits with the Male Hrothgar, so at least everyone in the community has a race that appeals to them, whether it be a minority or majority.

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I'm gonna repeat what I said in a previous thread.

A lot of people who want traditionally attractive races don't want a majority of the options.

They want every single option.

And then openly say 'don't cater to the minority, it'll be a waste of money' and immediately pat themselves in the back afterwards.

I'm absolutely certain they'll caterwaul if fem hrothgars don't look extremely human with little patches of fur and different ears.

Considering female Ronso already exist in FFX, I'll be sorely disappointed if they go the "fem Miqo but taller" route and frame it as some sort of bizarre dimorphism between the two genders, and I don't even play Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Considering female Ronso already exist in FFX, I'll be sorely disappointed if they go the "fem Miqo but taller" route and frame it as some sort of bizarre dimorphism between the two genders, and I don't even play Hrothgar.

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We already have a 'bizarre dimorphism'. It's Au Ra.

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Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza

We already have a 'bizarre dimorphism'. It's Au Ra.

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Dainty UwU lizard girls was a mistake, and I will fight everyone to the death over that. Either make them both tall, or make them both smol you cowards.

I mean throw a Khajiit head on a fhighlander and a fur texture and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Dainty UwU lizard girls was a mistake, and I will fight everyone to the death over that. Either make them both tall, or make them both smol you cowards.

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You wanna talk about cowardice? How about going from straight up lizard people to human with bad skin and horns?

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You wanna talk about cowardice? How about going from straight up lizard people to human with bad skin and horns?

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C O W A R D S.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...44/081/67c.gif

I mean Au Ra are actually pretty unique. They have horns instead of ears, cool eyes and the scales set them apart from Hyurs more than Miqo'te racial traits.

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Originally Posted by Hreland

I guess I'm the only one, who enjoys playing my Hrothgar?

However, I do wish there were more head pieces for my character to wear.

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For me, I personally dislike looking the same as everyone else.
Which is the reason I put a lot of thoughts customizing my miqo'te and avoid wearing some popular glams.

Hrothgar suffers this due to the limited face type and hair (being tied to each other is the worse offender).
One way to make yourself different is by choosing skin/fur color and patterns that is not the typical white or black.
Even then, you don't see most of it unless you use a specific glams that shows skin -- or go topless.
So naturally, people identify you from your face more than anything else.

I liked my Hrothgar when I changed into it. I stayed for half a year.
But whenever I see another Hrothgar with the same face + hair as mine, I didn't feel unique at all.
I grew less fond of my own character. I hated that.

Until the race can get more customization to feel more apart from each other, I don't think I would enjoy being a Hrothgar unfortunately.

I think female hrothgar will have a similar body type to female roegadyn. I drew and posted this drawing a few months ago in another thread, but I'll leave it here too.
https://i.imgur.com/6IRduzG.png
Link for closer viewing: link

This is just my take on female hrothgar with some of my thoughts written down. Can't wait to see what they will actually look like.

I love my Hrothgar, personally, but if female Hrothgar actually had a model like Roes I might actually do a gender switch. Or roll one as an alt. At the moment, I'm not a huge fan of the female models for a lot of the races.

All I'm going to say is that FemHroths will not be able to wear hats or use hair.

Do people who want flat faces really want to be that limited with what would essentially be bigger miqo? I certainly do not.

By the way, lovely art again, Senn!

Everyone talking race and me I am just here wishing for some softer curls for my viera girl. With valentine coming up I wanted the wavy hairstyle that all the other races have. Or the wedding one with flowers. Alas I am stuck with the same stiff hairstyles or short weird ones.....
I really wish they would prioritize us once and not act like the 6 hairstyles after 2 years was a major achievement. I would give all the parasols up if I could get some more hairstyles.....And the hats from the events.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

You say '' we '' but there is no actual legit statistics on this and what people want, going by current races tho and their popularity chances are what most people want doesn't align with what you want here tbh.
Just going by the forums isn't a good idea either to get a good view of this.
Whether it's official forums or subreddits they're infamous for not actually aligning with the average player at all a lot of devs for other games have acknowledged this.
I know that Riot has before, their subreddit isn't an accurate representation of the results they get on widespread surveys and research at all or what they actually see reflected in the game from the players.

And Au'Ra being similar didn't kill the race.
If anything it'd actually make it more popular if it's '' Miqo'te 2.0 '' if we're being a bit real here.

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Popularity isn't an argument here. The Hrothgar by design of being a BeastRace will be Niche no matter what.
No matter how many people love Charr, or Khajiit, Argonians, Gnolls, the Tauren or Worgen and Vulpera, there is always more Human/Humanoid Representation. People just always usually float to human looking designs, while animalistic designs are loved, are still Niche by comparison.

People refer to the Hrothgar as having a "better Roe Body" they just hate the Hunch. FemHroths can Follow suit and have a "Better FemRoe body" and maybe without the Hunch considering they are "Queens"
They will look fine with the FemRoe body, I think they would be Better with the FemRoe body. Tall, Strong, Confident. More games and More Devs, and even more players shouldnt shy away from Tall Built Female Characters.

If the Possibility Opens up for more Anthropomorphic Beast Races, we could always have the Lupin.
They kind of already have this 'perfect/popular' bodytype some people want on the Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Hreland

I guess I'm the only one, who enjoys playing my Hrothgar?

However, I do wish there were more head pieces for my character to wear.

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Oh I love my Hrothgar ALT.
But I do agree I wish there are more custom options and More Gear made for them.

Be awesome if they could make some Special Lv1 Glamours for the Hrothgar that are either easily crafted, or sold cheaply by some Vendors

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Originally Posted by Senn

I think female hrothgar will have a similar body type to female roegadyn. I drew and posted this drawing a few months ago in another thread, but I'll leave it here too.
https://i.imgur.com/6IRduzG.png
Link for closer viewing: link

This is just my take on female hrothgar with some of my thoughts written down. Can't wait to see what they will actually look like.

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Yes, Slay the bunny boy, queen

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

By the way, lovely art again, Senn!

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Yes, Slay the bunny boy, queen

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lol you're the first person to make a comment about that

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Originally Posted by Hreland

I guess I'm the only one, who enjoys playing my Hrothgar?

However, I do wish there were more head pieces for my character to wear.

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One can enjoy playing their race and still have concerns about it. I love my hrothgar to death, but I still want better for him.

There always seems to be like..,.this weird notion that if you have some criticisms about whatever, then you must outright dislike it.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I think female hrothgar will have a similar body type to female roegadyn. I drew and posted this drawing a few months ago in another thread, but I'll leave it here too.
https://i.imgur.com/6IRduzG.png
Link for closer viewing: link

This is just my take on female hrothgar with some of my thoughts written down. Can't wait to see what they will actually look like.

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if this is what femhroth look like I would change in a heartbeat.
love your art

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

if this is what femhroth look like I would change in a heartbeat.
love your art

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Thanks. :D At first I was a bit apathetic towards the idea of female hrothgar, but nowadays I find myself a bit excited about their inclusion. Funny how things change.

I'd love to see some female hrothgar concept art from the ffxiv team, but I doubt it'd happen any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

without the Hunch considering they are "Queens"

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They're the "Queens" of the species, so, since that (dumb, since they never run on all fours) hunch is a quality of the species, they have it. Otherwise it's just...well, frankly, it's just the usual, but it's still dumb. We get it, female characters sell more stuff, but come on.

I honestly wish popularity wasn't an argument so things like this weren't up for debate just because it tickles your fancy.

Look, I'll speak plain, hrothgar is a beast race and it appeals to the furry demographic. Let them use the fem roe body. If what it would take for you to want to use a fem hroth is a lithe body with a more humanized face maybe the race isn't for you.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Look, I'll speak plain, hrothgar is a beast race and it appeals to the furry demographic. Let them use the fem roe body. If what it would take for you to want to use a fem hroth is a lithe body with a more humanized face maybe the race isn't for you.

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Female roegadyn body on its own doesn't even look bad at all. I'm not a fan of their faces, particularly their noses, but if we're just talking physique, they look fine to me. A physique similar to that would really suit female hrothgar in my opinion. Let's not forget female ronso from ffx, the race they are based off of, are quite big.

I'm tempted to make an alt female hrothgar when they come around the more I think about it.

+1 for wanting viera & hrothgar improvements

I've made a viera I love, but the lack of viera unique hairstyles keeps me from using a fantasia :c

I shall kindly support Sherlotta in her crusade for change. Oh amazing Buraq Wall, please let Viera and Hrothgar have the improvements OP asked for. Amen.

I do hope the two races do see the changes they deserve to make them feel more complete. And I hope it isn’t just a steady stream of it is coming, it is coming.

What a surprise, another item was added in the mogstation today and shockingly Viera and Hrothgar are unable to wear it.

If SE are so hellbent on giving the other races something, why can't we have stuff on the mogstation that the other races cant wear? Considering our characters can not be compared to the other races, it only makes it right to release stuff for us too - give us headgear we can wear and hairstyles on the mogstation that we can have access to. Stop excluding us.

Also, not long until the Live Letter, we finally get to see the extent of Hrothgar's rework.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

What a surprise, another item was added in the mogstation today and shockingly Viera and Hrothgar are unable to wear it.

If SE are so hellbent on giving the other races something, why can't we have stuff on the mogstation that the other races cant wear? Considering our characters can not be compared to the other races, it only makes it right to release stuff for us too - give us headgear we can wear and hairstyles on the mogstation that we can have access to. Stop excluding us.

Also, not long until the Live Letter, we finally get to see the extent of Hrothgar's rework.

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Technically the hat is just the reward from last year's Valentine's event, so if it wasn't workable then, no huge surprise that it still doesn't work. However, they really need to figure out the hat/hair situation as it's honestly quite embarrassing at this point.

Again, I get that old gear doesnt work. But there is no excuse for new gear. When they make gear for events they should either make that piece work or include a version that vieras/hrothgars CAN wear. Idc if it is another tiara it is annoying to get an entire clownsuit but not be able to wear the hat for instance. Why couldnt they just make the nose? Now it is the postmoogle thing, and everyone are wearing the little mooglecap, they couldve released a tiny one that sits at the front like other small hats do. Idk I am annoyed, hopefully LL will say something....

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

Again, I get that old gear doesnt work. But there is no excuse for new gear. When they make gear for events they should either make that piece work or include a version that vieras/hrothgars CAN wear. Idc if it is another tiara it is annoying to get an entire clownsuit but not be able to wear the hat for instance. Why couldnt they just make the nose? Now it is the postmoogle thing, and everyone are wearing the little mooglecap, they couldve released a tiny one that sits at the front like other small hats do. Idk I am annoyed, hopefully LL will say something....

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Is there a new Moogle cap or do you mean last year's reward with the heart pom?

If new gear could work, then old gear would work too because it is all tied to the missing alternative hair meshes (wearing-a-hat versions) for the viera hairstyles. Who knows if this will ever happen tho.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

If new gear could work, then old gear would work too because it is all tied to the missing alternative hair meshes (wearing-a-hat versions) for the viera hairstyles. Who knows if this will ever happen tho.

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In that case it's not a matter whether they can or not (they can), it's that they don't have the time and resources to do so, hence why the majority is at least reasonable and understands why older hats probably won't ever work, but question why newer hats - that should be taking both races into consideration - don't. I mean heck, the newest WAR and RPR hats work, but BRD and RDM, jobs iconic for their hats, don't...? que esta pasando aqui señores

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Is there a new Moogle cap or do you mean last year's reward with the heart pom?

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Yeah, I had wondered about that too, but figured it was about the event hat. We already complained about that one. :p