Can we take action against Bard Macro Player yet?

Plus, it's not really easy to learn an instrument, and not everyone is musically-inclined. Playing a virtual instrument isn't any major achievement, and you won't get into a major orchestra for learning how to. So arguing about using MIDIs to play stuff is pointless. The only real "crime" here is the use of 3rd party tools, otherwise literally who cares.

"People didn't notice my effort but they prefer the guy using MIDIs"... is your ego truly that fragile?

I turned off performance volume anyway. Too many people who just sit in one place hitting one or two notes over and over to be obnoxious. Might be missing some genuinely good music, but I'm also missing plenty of trolling, so on the balance I'll live with it.

Why did we necro this

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Why did we necro this

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Because people had opinions.

Because playing this in game is totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Ps...annel=Gombalka

I turned that off a while ago and I’ve lived a more peaceful life since. Who am I kidding, holidays are coming, there’s no peace.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Because people had opinions.

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I'll take "things that kill entertainment" for 100, Alex.

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I'll take "things that kill entertainment" for 100, Alex.

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Ooh! Ooh! Limited Jobs

THIS CANNOT CONTINUE THIS CANNOT CONTINUE

https://imgur.com/Vr8OTTq.png

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THIS CANNOT CONTINUE THIS CANNOT CONTINUE

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That alone had a better tune than half the players in Limsa Plaza

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I turned that off a while ago and I’ve lived a more peaceful life since. Who am I kidding, holidays are coming, there’s no peace.

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Someone was playing Christmas music for like...two hours in Uldah the other day...

So I played Sisqo - Thong Song next to them because I am both a Grinch and a jerk.

fun is not allowed in ff14 apparently

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fun is not allowed in ff14 apparently

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You are allowed to play the violin.

If I do not wish to listen to you playing the violin and do not want random notes blasted into my ears, I should not have to.
And playing the violin does not involve you using an robot to play pitch-perfect for you.
And when told you are allowed to play the violin with some caveats, you should respect said caveats and not, you know... break the ToS?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You are allowed to play the violin.

If I do not wish to listen to you playing the violin and do not want random notes blasted into my ears, I should not have to.
And playing the violin does not involve you using an robot to play pitch-perfect for you.
And when told you are allowed to play the violin with some caveats, you should respect said caveats and not, you know... break the ToS?

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At least we can turn performance off, I'm so glad that was thought of. Not much else can be done since unless there is concrete proof the tool being used, there'd be no consequences even if it's a jumbled mess of notes.

I was talking with someone and some obnoxious rando cat walked up and started playing in my face but I couldn't hear them. :D

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At least we can turn performance off, I'm so glad that was thought of. Not much else can be done since unless there is concrete proof the tool being used, there'd be no consequences even if it's a jumbled mess of notes.

I was talking with someone and some obnoxious rando cat walked up and started playing in my face but I couldn't hear them. :D

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Like I said before in this thread, unless someone is recorded and that video goes viral to the point the copyright holders of the song get involved, there's no way to actually punish someone for it. Square isn't going to care unless legal action gets thrown at them. I remember at one point some people tried to trap bards by recording them without their knowledge and posting it but I don't think much came from that.

Best thing to do is just shut off performance if you really can't stand any of the music.

if they didnt want it to work they wouldnt have added midi inputs fyi

But performance interface is awful?
The manual performance interface is frankly garbage. Namely, the requirement that octave +/-1 has to be bound to shift or alt or ctrl, on keyboard which are not at all in a good position on a keyboard for you to keep your fingers on other buttons when you need to shift octaves.

I don't know if there's an easier way to do it, and fast, and won't move your fingers in a way that makes it impossible, but I haven't found it. Especially when you consider that you can't rlly use the alt one since that will open the text box depending on which key you press, which means you can rlly only use shift and ctrl which are really terrible placements. It would be so much easier if you could split the major notes between 8 fingers, and then use two thumbs to shift octaves, but you can't, again, because no matter where you place your fingers, your thumbs will never have easy access to ctrl or shift, which requires you to move your fingers from the other placements, and given the degree of speed required for those shift, basically means you will have a delay in your following notes as you shift your fingers back to position after needing to octave shift.

The best things I've found is to just bind all the notes to numerals, with the sharps/flats bound to qwert, etc. an then trying to manage the octave shift with just one hand, but even that is kind of awkward.

Honestly I like the controller better than the keyboard surprisingly, but then you have the issue of the notes bleeding, because the buttons (directional buttons for instance) are placed in a way that it is impossible to hit them clearly while shifting notes without accidentally tapping on an adjacent one, and I often find that my bumpers don't rlly work when i press them at the same time as a note, i have to either deliberately hit the bumper and then the note which ruins the song, or else have impossible reflexes to stop hitting my old note, lightning fast activate the bumper, and then the new note. It's just dumb.

All that to say: if manually playing songs were feasible, really, then I would get being kind of annoyed at midi players, but given that the ui basically requires you to use a midi for anything other than twinkle twinkle little star makes me feel like they should deliver a manually usable interface, if they want to go after people not doing it manually.

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People like me who have no musical gifts whatsoever

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I don't mind. If it sounds good then that's enough for me.

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But performance interface is awful?
The manual performance interface is frankly garbage. Namely, the requirement that octave +/-1 has to be bound to shift or alt or ctrl, on keyboard which are not at all in a good position on a keyboard for you to keep your fingers on other buttons when you need to shift octaves.

I don't know if there's an easier way to do it, and fast, and won't move your fingers in a way that makes it impossible, but I haven't found it. Especially when you consider that you can't rlly use the alt one since that will open the text box depending on which key you press, which means you can rlly only use shift and ctrl which are really terrible placements. It would be so much easier if you could split the major notes between 8 fingers, and then use two thumbs to shift octaves, but you can't, again, because no matter where you place your fingers, your thumbs will never have easy access to ctrl or shift, which requires you to move your fingers from the other placements, and given the degree of speed required for those shift, basically means you will have a delay in your following notes as you shift your fingers back to position after needing to octave shift.

The best things I've found is to just bind all the notes to numerals, with the sharps/flats bound to qwert, etc. an then trying to manage the octave shift with just one hand, but even that is kind of awkward.

Honestly I like the controller better than the keyboard surprisingly, but then you have the issue of the notes bleeding, because the buttons (directional buttons for instance) are placed in a way that it is impossible to hit them clearly while shifting notes without accidentally tapping on an adjacent one, and I often find that my bumpers don't rlly work when i press them at the same time as a note, i have to either deliberately hit the bumper and then the note which ruins the song, or else have impossible reflexes to stop hitting my old note, lightning fast activate the bumper, and then the new note. It's just dumb.

All that to say: if manually playing songs were feasible, really, then I would get being kind of annoyed at midi players, but given that the ui basically requires you to use a midi for anything other than twinkle twinkle little star makes me feel like they should deliver a manually usable interface, if they want to go after people not doing it manually.

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You don't need to octave shift you can make oen key for each tone on a PC keyboard when mapping them, and then use a translater so you can make those keys onto an actual midi capable keyboard.

there is so much in this game music is good if you need help the beatles used ai so why couldn't we use a music player it is helpful by getting rid of the fun things <bungie> it will end up bad

Take action will be bad 。。。

This people make Limsa more happy 。。。 and unique ：）

by the way。。。 you can use macros too。 go to system settings and select Macro ：）

i wanna get Rick rolled by a Lala Band.....

I swear this thread gets necro'd more than any other.

There's not really much that can be done about people using programs to automate Bard playing... However, the terms you did have to agree to when unlocking it did have a part about not playing music that might cause copyright issues.

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There's not really much that can be done about people using programs to automate Bard playing... However, the terms you did have to agree to when unlocking it did have a part about not playing music that might cause copyright issues.

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That's just legal butt-covering so SE can't get sued over it. They're not gonna actually do anything about it unless the copyright holders complain.

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I swear this thread gets necro'd more than any other.

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Yes, but we all KNOW what this topic is. We can spot it, and then ignore it. If somebody made a new topic every time, and then this fight took days to cool down, and there was 12 topics about this to necro, that would be worse.

I'd rather one familiar old argument show up, be saluted with a fond nostalgia, and then sink into the depths. The alternative game of whack a troll is just... pain.

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Yes, but we all KNOW what this topic is. We can spot it, and then ignore it. If somebody made a new topic every time, and then this fight took days to cool down, and there was 12 topics about this to necro, that would be worse.

I'd rather one familiar old argument show up, be saluted with a fond nostalgia, and then sink into the depths. The alternative game of whack a troll is just... pain.

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You know what. Gotta give you credit. You made a fantastic point. You have successfully changed my perspective.

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i wanna get Rick rolled by a Lala Band.....

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Not a Lala but I've done this. Said my last song for the night was going to be Through the Fire and Flames.

Nah. It was Never Gonna Give You Up.

If they had a "throw tomato" emote...I would have been bombarded.

Get it? BomBARDED?

Okay I love you BYE BYE!

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Not a Lala but I've done this. Said my last song for the night was going to be Through the Fire and Flames.

Nah. It was Never Gonna Give You Up.

If they had a "throw tomato" emote...I would have been bombarded.

Get it? BomBARDED?

Okay I love you BYE BYE!

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Regular tomatoes aren't enough, we need some of these.

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I swear this thread gets necro'd more than any other.

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It’s just a really niche hill to die on and the peculiarity of the argument draws attention

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It’s just a really niche hill to die on and the peculiarity of the argument draws attention

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More to illustrate some have very small minds, very large egos, and take "offense" at something they feel is "reserved for them alone".

Any rock concert anywhere these days uses FAR more sophisticated technology to make that music come to life. Ask yourself how many "celebrities" use auto tune in their performances.

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Yes, but we all KNOW what this topic is. We can spot it, and then ignore it. If somebody made a new topic every time, and then this fight took days to cool down, and there was 12 topics about this to necro, that would be worse.

I'd rather one familiar old argument show up, be saluted with a fond nostalgia, and then sink into the depths. The alternative game of whack a troll is just... pain.

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I think it's better to necro an old thread on a subject than to make a new one everytime someone wants to grumble about bards playing in town.

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I think it's better to necro an old thread on a subject than to make a new one everytime someone wants to grumble about bards playing in town.

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This assumes the necro isn’t just some random troll alt with 5ish posts to their name and nothing to add to the conversation. Which is assuming a lot.

IMO, any post that’s been dead for a month should require the person to fill in a reason for necro-ing in the same vein as an edit.

A mandatory “and why are you deciding to necro this?”, in addition to some kind of flag that watches for a pattern of necro-ing multiple threads in a short time.

But that’s also assuming the devs will put any work into moderating this place. This also assumes a lot.

The problem with necros is how often people quote old posts. Where that person may or may not even be playing the game anymore and might have moved on. They may not even hold the same opinion or stance anymore if the necro is of a 2 year or older thread. There have been times I have even seen necros where they quote the person and say, "But it's not like that" because of a change that occurred within the game after that person made that comment. It wouldn't be so bad if people were more aware of the dates to things they comment to.

Get a real gig and stop worrying about FFXIV so much in lieu

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Bro read the date of the first and last post before your's... you are a bit late to the party.

It is never too late to be against bot users. ;)




Cheers

Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes

Since everyone is necroing, I really love listening to live music and get sad when it turns out it isn't. Indicating you are live somehow, and just doing a little riff or anything, would probably get players like me to follow you around...