Please make Blue Mage a normal job

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Im calling it

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i do feel BLU will one day be a normal job. But only as a means to a shortcut, so they dont have to make new jobs.
As for the "Starts at Lv70" bit, you forget newer players will still be getting BLU at Lv1. and BLU levels up to max in a day.
the real argument of "its Lv70" would be that they need to make 10 levels worth of content for BLU, and there should be enough time to make the last 10 levels worth of content, plus another 10 levels worth of content (for the expansions release) in time. Is there enough time for 20 levels? Personally Id say yes, but then again, SE hasnt really been able to roll out content like in the old days...

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I’m calling it now. I don’t care if I’m wrong later. They pushing BLU to 70 now. Next expansion the new jobs will start at 70 including the BLU job :) which will be a normal job. I’m calling it.

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One problem with that though: that's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where. They would've said so back in 2018 when they introduced BLU. Which they didn't.

They also haven't even given a single indication that they were considering such a thing since they first released BLU.

It's kind of nuts to think they would 180 their own design philosophy for a job (or anything, really).

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Originally Posted by MaraD_

i do feel BLU will one day be a normal job. But only as a means to a shortcut, so they dont have to make new jobs.
As for the "Starts at Lv70" bit, you forget newer players will still be getting BLU at Lv1. and BLU levels up to max in a day.
the real argument of "its Lv70" would be that they need to make 10 levels worth of content for BLU, and there should be enough time to make the last 10 levels worth of content, plus another 10 levels worth of content (for the expansions release) in time. Is there enough time for 20 levels? Personally Id say yes, but then again, SE hasnt really been able to roll out content like in the old days...

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I highly doubt that would be the case, especially when the entire franchise is about Story, Jobs/Classes and combat. When you are making an MMO there is no shortcuts and it is a very expensive dedicated project that will continuously get updated. So the wise decision to keep FFXIV alive would be the story, the jobs it presents allowing players to experience the game in different perspectives and trying to make combat more interesting (Which is kind of hard considering most of the battles are mechanic heavy). Blue Mage isn't the end of all new jobs being added. Plenty of other jobs can still be added even after Blue Mage

Honestly... There is a possibility that there is enough time. Unlike last time where it was released at 4.5 (The near end of the patch) resulting them having the lack of time to complete it by the 5.0 expansion. This time however 5.4 is where they have one more patch before moving on to the next expansion. They have until next year May/June/July (Or delay with covid August/September/October) for the next expansion means they have more than just 3 months (6 at most without covid interfering and starting from December or January) to flesh it out as a normal job. Which I believe is more than sufficient to slowly let it into the normal job spectrum. As they only need to work on 20 levels worth of spell from Shadowbringers and the new expansion. Plus we had delays of some of the content with Covid but that didn't put them off and they did try their best to work while in Covid lock down in Japan. I am also going to assume there is no recent lock down in japan and should be returning to normal, if not then be prepared for delays. However it also relies on 5.4 as to what they added if they added more spells and a job gauge then they are starting to fully flesh it out. If not well we keep hoping for it to be a normal job in 6.0, or they could be planning a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

One problem with that though: that's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where. They would've said so back in 2018 when they introduced BLU. Which they didn't.

They also haven't even given a single indication that they were considering such a thing since they first released BLU.

It's kind of nuts to think they would 180 their own design philosophy for a job (or anything, really).

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There is no indication, but neither do you know their inner working or behind the scenes. Stop pretending you do know a mind of a developer. It is clear with what you have posted you have literally have no idea what goes behind every developer team. I have 0 idea of their inner workings as well. Sometimes game developers do a 180 in their game design, which can happen sometimes to change the direction of the game. As of now we can only speculate and present evidence with what we only have, nothing more and nothing else.

With Blue Mage the indication is more subtle than outright from the words of the developers. They made content to be more group focused with learning a spell from dungeons changing it from chances to a guaranteed learn when you party up with ANY composition. Not just that but Blue Mage Log is another example of group play but more towards the fact as a BLU only parties alongside with the achievements. New spells from the 5.15 update also have given us more spells to play with and what comes with it is group based pseudo-role and group based spells like Avail, Cactgaurd, Angel Whisper and a few others that can be used in both solo and group situations. There is no indication that is true. However considering with what we have been given in 5.15 and how much they tried to make Blue Mage participate in group content it is much more looking towards becoming into a real job that can be the first job to Multi role. I mean on another thread I have said what they are doing in 5.15 just literally contradicted what they said Limited Job was meant to do. Limited Job has to go, if their actions are contradicting with a 1 or 2 year old statement something has definitely change.

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Originally Posted by TeraTyrantShadic

There is no indication, but neither do you know their inner working or behind the scenes. Stop pretending you do know a mind of a developer. It is clear with what you have posted you have literally have no idea what goes behind every developer team. I have 0 idea of their inner workings as well. Sometimes game developers do a 180 in their game design, which can happen sometimes to change the direction of the game. As of now we can only speculate and present evidence with what we only have, nothing more and nothing else.

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I know you have a massive chip on your shoulders when it comes to BLU, but please pretend to be honest when trying to summarize my opinion.

I didn't claim to know the inner workings of the developers. I accurately described their general work ethic and showed precedence in the way they create content. That they never make big changes out of the BLU. That they are quite transparent and predictable with their announcements. And when handling critique they will openly address their preceived problems and act accordingly.

But of course pure conjecture and rejection of past behavior is just as likely as my grounded view.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

I know you have a massive chip on your shoulders when it comes to BLU, but please pretend to be honest when trying to summarize my opinion.

I didn't claim to know the inner workings of the developers. I accurately described their general work ethic and showed precedence in the way they create content. That they never make big changes out of the BLU. That they are quite transparent and predictable with their announcements. And when handling critique they will openly address their preceived problems and act accordingly.

But of course pure conjecture and rejection of past behavior is just as likely as my grounded view.

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"One problem with that though: that's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where." - Auryan Post#362

I am not going to pretend at being honest, I am being honest (Brutally) when it comes to a topics discussing behind the scenes. The sentence you set in Post#362 says it all, "That's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where.". It is plain and out in the open to interpretation, but it is painfully obvious that the sentence implies that you think you know this is how FFXIV's developers operate. It is just as the same as claiming to know the inner workings. While you didn't directly said you claim to know, the sentence you have posted have implied so.

Yet you pursue to believe you can accurately describe their work ethics. You are not claiming, but you heavily implied you think you know their inner workings which is just as much as claiming to know behind the scenes. Make no mistake it is a bold sentence you have made and an unfounded one at that. I'll say it again neither you, me or anyone for that matter know what is going on behind the scenes of the FFXIV development team or their general work ethics. Every company has different work ethics depending on the laws of the state and nation. I know you want to make it clear that you are not claiming to know behind the scenes, then in future posts I'd suggest you refrain that thought or add in a bit of a disclaimer to prevent such confusion happening again. I don't have a 'Chip' on you, as I am often found in threads regarding Limited Jobs and Blue Mage. Make no mistake we both have different perspective and I don't take it personally. I am just simply correcting you in some of your statements.

With their announcement in their recent Live Letter they announced something big planned for Blue Mage. Will it be changes? We don't know until we see the Live Letter for 5.4. Predictable announcements? Definitely. Transparent? That is a 50/50, sometimes they are sometimes they are not, I mean in the grand scheme of things who is to say they are planning something much bigger behind the scenes. As for handling critiques overall they are open about the problems and act accordingly that much we can agree on and one of the few things we can agree on.

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Originally Posted by TeraTyrantShadic

neither do you know their inner working or behind the scenes.

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This is going to be me going off topic, and not suggesting the disagreement between u two is directly related to the following.

Not to disagree with you, but I think its worth pointing out we "sort of" have an idea what they were thinking, based on direct information leaked, and indirect information leaked. (Regarding BLU, before it was released)

BLU was meant to come out with SAM and RDM for SBs release. (As a full job)
BLU was meant to melee with a weapon, and was not categorized as a Caster DPS.
After SBs release
BLU had been made as a Magical Melee (the 1st in its sub role to exist, as we only have physical melee sub role)
BLU was being delayed further, to add far more spells to it.
Near the end of SB
BLU was being delayed even further for an unknown reason to the leaker.
Leakers last posts involved telling us about Adam and Eve (Omega final bosses original names before localization) GNB, DNC, Viera, and Ronso.

Going by this information, its easy to make a guess, as to what they were thinking, and might be thinking in the future. I agree we cant know for certain, but I feel its not too hard to fill in the gaps.
So I can disagree with you on how accurate we could guess, but I can also agree with you, that his guess seems really off base, and not aligned with prior information we have.

I'll list some of my personal thoughts I've collected, to find "patterns" in SEs behaviors, in which I try to guess what they are thinking.

Besides the leakers info, we knew Yoshida mentioned only making female viera, and male "beastmen". When Viera was 1st shown, I mentioned how other races showed 1 male and 1 female, while the viera artwork showed multiple females. I told others this was more than enough evidence to know they would be female only, and people argued with me, that i couldnt know what SE was thinking. (Over simplifying this example, as a lot more happened)

Going a bit further into "assumption" territory, 2.0 designed most DPS to just be a mishmash of most basic DPS mechanics. Every DPS pretty much shared the same mechanics, except cast bars, and positionals, which were given to melee/casters respectfully.
Only MNK was considered "the complex DPS" job.

3.0 came out, every job gained more complexity. IMO, it was to discourage people flocking to just the DPS role, based on "taking it easy". But why did I think this way? Because MNK barely changed. But others like DRG and BLM grew far more difficult. You also had cast bars thrown on BRD/MCH, to bring them in line with the other ranged DPS, but mostly to add to their difficulty, due to players flocking to BRD in 2.0, to make fights easier. (not just for the support buffs, but due to ease of playing being mentioned by yoshida) Even with the tanks, WAR barely changed, but PLD really changed, and PLD was mostly known for being too simplistic in 2.0, just spaming 123 all day.

Where is this "history lesson" going?
Sorry, im slowly getting there...

well, BLU was being designed in 3.0. With SAM being the 1st, and RDM being made after SAM. This made BLU last on the list to be made. (And was worked on before SB)
All SB jobs were streamlined, and made less clunky, and somewhat easier than 3.0. SAM felt roughly on par with the general difficulty of other DPS jobs in SB (not as punishing as 3.0 jobs, but equal to their 4.0 versions) So if SAM felt roughly equal to the 4.0 versions of DPS, why was RDM so simplistic? Its the only DPS who doesnt have their primary mechanic as a "Timer that ticks down".

I assumed it was SE saying, we're going to just make 1 DPS more simplistic than another. (I feel this is wrong, and will explain why later)

Now for Limited BLU... Yoshida brought up defenses for limited BLU, including the idea that BLU would have broken abilities to instantly kill bosses. And he HAD to give BLU these abilities, because it just wouldnt be BLU w/o them. The initial statement proved to be misleading right off the bat. And the second statement just doesnt make sense.
I assumed something was up at this point, but didnt know what yet. Yoshida has always covered up mistakes with these sorts of "salesman" white lies. Similar to how he tried to falsely justify why they gender locked the two races. (He already explained the reasoning for it many years ago, but people didnt like his justification, so he changed the narrative, so more people would accept the outcome.) I'm not saying he's wrong for doing this, I'm just pointing out it happens.

DNC is announced, and its trailer looks like it has cast bars, with familiar healing animations, and has physical ranged attacks. People were confused which role it was, and after yoshida answered, he even mentioned he wasnt sure if it was getting aiming or scouting gear yet. (Which seems odd to not be sure of this late, but that sort of thing can happen)
GNB also seemed odd, as its a whole job based on a weapon, rather than a "job". But nothing sus about it though.

Finally 5.0

Tanks and healers are nerfed into very simplistic designs. This seems to go in hand with my theory on why they raised DPS difficulty in 3.0, which is to encourage certain players into playing more tanks/healers, based on "ease".

NOW TO THE POINT FINALLY
My theory is as follows;
during heavensward, they planned out the next 3 jobs. SAM was melee DPS, and RDM was actually planned to be a Healer. Their DPS rotation would be very simplistic and easy to follow as a healer, as theres no timer ticking down.
And BLU was going to be a Melee Caster Tank. (Maybe what inspired PLD to get cast bar nukes)

WHY do I think that? Thats a VERY long story, but the simplistic version stems from how FF14 treats AoEs (BLU being one of the few AoE based jobs in FF history) BLUs need to get hit by spells in some games, plus 2 other factors that came up later. *

I think they didnt have time to finish BLU, and last minute changes to RDM slowed BLUs development further.
(Touching on RDM healer again)
I think one of the main reasons RDM became a DPS, was to include its melee combo. Which I think it has a shorter GCD solely to help it get back to healing faster, as a caster DPS doesnt need its burst phase to be 1.5s GCD. Its just comes off as random flavor. It also doesnt really regenerate MP naturally in its own kit, like the other casters. Its more like a healer, who tries not to run out of MP before the fight ends.

I think they planned to change tanks to be the "5.0 simplistic " design, as they were working on BLU, which lead them to make it into a DPS instead.
Which weapon did they give it? Why does BLU mimic FFXIs designs of; "See an ability" (not get hit by it) and "Equip spells into slots"?
I think they took its weapon, and animations away, which is why it got delayed so much, and was given even more spells later on. They turned it into a caster, and repurposed the "Tank" side of it, and its melee animations.
I noticed the GNB shells glow blue, and the original AF artwork design was Blue. * This is of course is a huge jump, but it would make sense why BLU has to "Equip" spells like FFXI, as it probably had to be assigned a slot in the "chamber" of the GNB weapon. If BLU isnt going to tank, it cant be hit by the spell anymore. If GNB is the only job we see using a melee weapon, its not too unreasonable to assume its the job that got the removed BLU weapon/animations. (Some GNB animations even show the weapon shooting, despite yoshida saying the weapon doesnt, because its FF8s gunblade)

The additional back up to this theory, is me also theorizing how DNCs storyline is about healing people, and why they have their odd heal. The general animations of some abilities, along with how the dance itself also nukes once done. If DNC were to be a healer, the dances would take up too much of your time needing to heal in some cases. so attaching a potent AoE heal that triggers once u do the dance, covers your bases pretty well. Also it would have to have ranged attacks. its DPS rotation would have to be pretty simple. But the part thats not accurate to healer, is that it has a buff timer, which ticks down... but then again, you can do your dance extra early, to refresh it... so its not TOO hard to do... right? Well healers difficulty got nerfed... so theres NO way such a healer could exist, and I think they wanted to keep what they made, and just go with a physical ranged DPS. This might explain why we went 2 expansions w/o a healer, and why yoshida wasnt sure on some of DNCs stuff, even as late as its official reveal.

Now, if BLU is too complex to be a tank, and GNB gutted BLU, it would make sense that they decided they could use the corpse of whats left of BLU, and "make a limited job".
This would explain all the odd decisions made about BLUs "limited" status, that clearly go against the very rationale that yoshida claims.

Am I right? I have no clue, I might be, I might not be, or I may only be half right. But this little example shows how its possible to "get in their heads" to some degree, and with the viera example, I was able to predict an outcome based on prior patterns. I may have as well with BLU, but I'll never know. But this explanation is also why I think BLU will eventually be made into a full job. (There are other reasons i believe as well)

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Originally Posted by TeraTyrantShadic

"One problem with that though: that's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where." - Auryan Post#362

I am not going to pretend at being honest, I am being honest (Brutally) when it comes to a topics discussing behind the scenes. The sentence you set in Post#362 says it all, "That's not how the developers operate. They wouldn't just spring a decision like that out of no where.". It is plain and out in the open to interpretation, but it is painfully obvious that the sentence implies that you think you know this is how FFXIV's developers operate. It is just as the same as claiming to know the inner workings. While you didn't directly said you claim to know, the sentence you have posted have implied so.

Yet you pursue to believe you can accurately describe their work ethics. You are not claiming, but you heavily implied you think you know their inner workings which is just as much as claiming to know behind the scenes. Make no mistake it is a bold sentence you have made and an unfounded one at that. I'll say it again neither you, me or anyone for that matter know what is going on behind the scenes of the FFXIV development team or their general work ethics. Every company has different work ethics depending on the laws of the state and nation. I know you want to make it clear that you are not claiming to know behind the scenes, then in future posts I'd suggest you refrain that thought or add in a bit of a disclaimer to prevent such confusion happening again. I don't have a 'Chip' on you, as I am often found in threads regarding Limited Jobs and Blue Mage. Make no mistake we both have different perspective and I don't take it personally. I am just simply correcting you in some of your statements.

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Really? You want to play semantics?
Do you really need me to explain word for word how my opinion based on observation of past developer behavior is just that? An opinion. And not somehow akin to knowing their every move. If you're serious, I can't imagine how you would handle cable news.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

Really? You want to play semantics?
Do you really need me to explain word for word how my opinion based on observation of past developer behavior is just that? An opinion. And not somehow akin to knowing their every move. If you're serious, I can't imagine how you would handle cable news.

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I am not playing any sort of semantics. I am not asking for you to explain it word for word, all I am asking for you to do is correct your mistakes and prevent from ever doing it again in the future and explain it clearly like with what you're doing now. Anyway this arch of the conversation is getting off topic and it is better we focus back on Blue Mage.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

Really? You want to play semantics?
Do you really need me to explain word for word how my opinion based on observation of past developer behavior is just that? An opinion. And not somehow akin to knowing their every move. If you're serious, I can't imagine how you would handle cable news.

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Past developer behavior has told us that job reveals are typically kept secret for fanfest. BLU being promoted to a full job would be a big deal -- pretty equivalent to revealing any other new job for an xpac, considering the amount of talk that would surround it. Assuming this was in the books, I don't think they would have told us about their plans for it when it could be saved for fanfest.

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Originally Posted by MaraD_

i do feel BLU will one day be a normal job.

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

Past developer behavior has told us that job reveals are typically kept secret for fanfest. BLU being promoted to a full job would be a big deal -- pretty equivalent to revealing any other new job for an xpac, considering the amount of talk that would surround it. Assuming this was in the books, I don't think they would have told us about their plans for it when it could be saved for fanfest.

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Well, you know the old saying.

Hope in one hand, poop in the other. See which fills up first.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Well, you know the old saying.

Hope in one hand, poop in the other. See which fills up first.

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Aren't you optimistic... -_- I still believe Blue Mage will still become a normal job! In 6.0 hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

Past developer behavior has told us that job reveals are typically kept secret for fanfest. BLU being promoted to a full job would be a big deal -- pretty equivalent to revealing any other new job for an xpac, considering the amount of talk that would surround it. Assuming this was in the books, I don't think they would have told us about their plans for it when it could be saved for fanfest.

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That would hold true if BLU had never been released in the game. It's been a thing since 2019.

That doesn't constitute a new job, but drastic and sudden shift for a piece of content. Something uncharacteristic of them.

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Originally Posted by tyranical69

Aren't you optimistic... -_- I still believe Blue Mage will still become a normal job! In 6.0 hopefully.

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I prefer the term, Realistic.

But please, do carry on hoping for something that will never come and continue to be dissapointed with every update to the BLU side content.

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Originally Posted by Razard

I prefer the term, Realistic.

But please, do carry on hoping for something that will never come and continue to be dissapointed with every update to the BLU side content.

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You are more pessimistic much less than realistic XD

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Originally Posted by Auryan

That would hold true if BLU had never been released in the game. It's been a thing since 2019.

That doesn't constitute a new job, but drastic and sudden shift for a piece of content. Something uncharacteristic of them.

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Functionally speaking, it very much constitutes as adding a new job to the game. It would require all of the work of adding a normal job since it is missing so much of what makes regular jobs "full" in the first place. And again, big reveals like that are always going to be saved for fanfests or major live letters.

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

Functionally speaking, it very much constitutes as adding a new job to the game. It would require all of the work of adding a normal job since it is missing so much of what makes regular jobs "full" in the first place. And again, big reveals like that are always going to be saved for fanfests or major live letters.

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I was being too strict. It would technically mean a new job, but also a complete change to an existing piece of content. Something that they have, up to now, given direct information if it were to happen.

The direction and purpose of the content being permanently altered. It would be like turning Eureka into a giant dance hall where people vogue for killer glam and not giving players a heads up. They came close with Diadem though.

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been any hint of this outside day dreams, they would give some clear information of their intentions. New job or not.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

I was being too strict. It would technically mean a new job, but also a complete change to an existing piece of content. Something that they have, up to now, given direct information if it were to happen.

The direction and purpose of the content being permanently altered. It would be like turning Eureka into a giant dance hall where people vogue for killer glam and not giving players a heads up. They came close with Diadem though.

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been any hint of this outside day dreams, they would give some clear information of their intentions. New job or not.

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If I am going to be honest Yoshida is always good at keeping us in the dark and only tell us in a Fan fest or Live letter. So really maybe in the Fan fest for 6.0 Blue Mage maybe announced to becoming a Normal job :3

I highly doubt they would give us clear information I remember how they reveal both Samurai and Red Mage when my friend brought me to the German fanfest. Spider man shirt... XD. They always have full of surprises so really they wouldn't give clear info until the day of the Fan fest New jobs or not :3

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Originally Posted by Auryan

I was being too strict. It would technically mean a new job, but also a complete change to an existing piece of content. Something that they have, up to now, given direct information if it were to happen.

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I do see what you're saying, but I think this situation is a little unique in that it hasn't happened to a job like this before. I also don't think they would erase the limited aspect of the job in any permanent degree, because as you say, they probably wouldn't want to take content away from people who like it. It's more likely that they'd have a system to allow for both the limited and full versions to exist, this way it seems planned and works as a reveal.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been any hint of this outside day dreams, they would give some clear information of their intentions. New job or not.

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We're just going to have to disagree here, otherwise I'll just be repeating what I've already said.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Hope in one hand

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Its not hope, but despair.

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Originally Posted by tyranical69

Aren't you optimistic...

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You should be directing that at me, since the REASON I think BLU will eventually be a full job, is because im pessimistic. All MMOs come to an end, eventually. And I know its the absolute best option available, when the game starts doing worse/going down hill, and they dont have the resources to pump into the game anymore, but want to reveal a "brand new shiny job" into a dying game, in hopes of getting the most out of very little.

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Originally Posted by Razard

I prefer the term, Realistic.
But please, do carry on hoping for something that will never come and continue to be dissapointed with every update to the BLU side content.

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Nah, I think my above scenario is more likely to play out than not. The only issue being how long we have to wait for the game to really be hurting/dying, and if SE doesnt decide to surprise us sooner. (I doubt that)

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Originally Posted by Auryan

SE does this~

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SE has done both. SE could treat it as a new job, as it drastically effects other jobs. They could also treat it like a job balance issue. Some have been announced vaguely, in hopes to make ppl not mad, but left vague. Sometimes they announce planned adjustments in detail way in advance. Sometimes the day of the patch we find out in patch notes, w/o even a single mention. And sometimes, we find out with live letters/fan fests, such as the simplification changes to tanks/healers.

It really can go many ways.

I'm just hoping for actual stats on their MH weapon, you know that Int / Vitality they're missing. . .

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Originally Posted by tyranical69

You are more pessimistic much less than realistic XD

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Originally Posted by MaraD_

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Well I hope you two love disappointment.

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Originally Posted by TeraTyrantShadic

My thoughts exactly!

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There are so many negative nancy’s saying they would announce it blah blah. No they wouldn’t. They didn’t announce new races before they added them. They didn’t announce ninja a year or 2 before they implemented it. People need to understand anything is possible. Who knows, there could be a developer slowly working on this and we don’t know about it. Originally they said they already had like 113 I think spells already figured out. We are at 80 spells now. So I’m guessing they will finish that up in 5.4 then hey maybe surprise us with blue becoming a regular job in 6.0 as an all rounder or something. So I wish people would stop being negative nancy’s. Yes I could be totally wrong but it doesn’t mean to have many people’s dreams crushed by the negativity. Just let us have this. Let us keep hope alive. Keep the negativity on the outside please. Anything is possible people. I truly believe square will pull a rabbit out the hat. They know how bad people want blue mage as a regular job. I believe they will make it happen for us.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Well I hope you two love disappointment.

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https://media1.tenor.com/images/e536...temid=14287005

Please come to my drinking party! :P

I tend to hold out for the long haul / low chance being possible (like Ronso race), but indeed the small % stuff means you should make friends with tears in a cup lol.

Either way bottoms up lol~

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I’m calling it now. I don’t care if I’m wrong later. They pushing BLU to 70 now. Next expansion the new jobs will start at 70 including the BLU job :) which will be a normal job. I’m calling it.

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i hope so! i won't get my hopes up my a man can dream.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I'm just hoping for actual stats on their MH weapon, you know that Int / Vitality they're missing. . .

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They should absolutely do it, but the problem is then effort. The reason why BLU gets maim and mend V is BECAUSE they don't have mainstat on their weapon, suddenly giving them stats later would mean the kit would need retooling at higher levels. Now if they became a normal job from 70 onwards this wouldnt be an issue, but whilst it remains a limited job with limited weapons it can equip, it cant have any int on a weapon unless they truly want to pad its dps.

Edit: a potential solution for this is retooling every weapon to have aetheryte earring esq stat scaling including weapon damage

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

They should absolutely do it, but the problem is then effort. The reason why BLU gets maim and mend V is BECAUSE they don't have mainstat on their weapon, suddenly giving them stats later would mean the kit would need retooling at higher levels. Now if they became a normal job from 70 onwards this wouldnt be an issue, but whilst it remains a limited job with limited weapons it can equip, it cant have any int on a weapon unless they truly want to pad its dps.

Edit: a potential solution for this is retooling every weapon to have aetheryte earring esq stat scaling including weapon damage

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At some point they have to give it unique Job Abilities (Not Blue Magic Spell abilities) and some unique traits to make it into a normal job (Especially when the Job Gauges are also a trait). Retooling every weapon to be like the Aetheryte earring is a good idea as well for the Main Hand Weapon but then what about raid weapons? If we apply it to the weapon then is there a point in end game raiding? I mean if there is a limit and it doesn't hit the Current tier end game item level and its stats then I should be fine.

I just want to do Palace of the Dead, Eureka, and Heaven on High with Blue Mage.

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Originally Posted by JiSH

i hope so! i won't get my hopes up my a man can dream.

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Well. All other classes mechanics keep evolving from ARR. They keep adding stuffs and complexity. It might happens to BLU too. We will see what the level 70 BLU can do

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

There are so many negative nancy’s saying they would announce it blah blah. No they wouldn’t. They didn’t announce new races before they added them. They didn’t announce ninja a year or 2 before they implemented it. People need to understand anything is possible. Who knows, there could be a developer slowly working on this and we don’t know about it. Originally they said they already had like 113 I think spells already figured out. We are at 80 spells now. So I’m guessing they will finish that up in 5.4 then hey maybe surprise us with blue becoming a regular job in 6.0 as an all rounder or something. So I wish people would stop being negative nancy’s. Yes I could be totally wrong but it doesn’t mean to have many people’s dreams crushed by the negativity. Just let us have this. Let us keep hope alive. Keep the negativity on the outside please. Anything is possible people. I truly believe square will pull a rabbit out the hat. They know how bad people want blue mage as a regular job. I believe they will make it happen for us.

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You're completely wrong. They've announced every job in a fanfest since HW (so Ninja was the only exception, not the rule), and they've also announced (in fanfests) Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera.

I wish people would stop with the stupid delusion of BLU becoming an all rounder. They'll never make a DPS that can steal a spot from the other roles.

So, can the positive daydreamers stop making up lies and falsehoods to justify their unsubstantiated wishful thinking, until they actually make an announcement? Thank you.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

I wish people would stop with the stupid delusion of BLU becoming an all rounder. They'll never make a DPS that can steal a spot from the other roles.

So, can the positive daydreamers stop making up lies and falsehoods to justify their unsubstantiated wishful thinking, until they actually make an announcement? Thank you.

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I assume you are being obtuse or just ignorant about blue mage and its spells when you say its a 'stupid delusion of it becoming an all rounder that can steal a spot from other roles'.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I assume you are being obtuse or just ignorant about blue mage and its spells when you say its a 'stupid delusion of it becoming an all rounder that can steal a spot from other roles'.

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I assume you're being obtuse or ignorant about the fact it's only allowed to do so through PF and in outdated content. A BLU is only tanking or healing if the rest of the party is OK with it.

Good luck building a roulette system where you can get a insufficient tanking BLU replacing an actual tank. And no, they wouldn't make its tanking and healing skills be good enough to replace actual tanks and healers, if made a full job. That goes against the design of the battle system the game has since the start.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I just want to do Palace of the Dead, Eureka, and Heaven on High with Blue Mage.

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Me too! Been saying this for quite a while, but Deep Dungeons and Eureka seems like a perfect fit for a Blue Mage solo. People are already soloing deep dungeons with other jobs anyway... They can create a scoreboard just for that purpose.

And also, Eureka elemental wheel system speaks a lot to how blue magic functions. I wouldn't be surprised if BLU got something like that as a "gauge" system someday.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Me too! Been saying this for quite a while, but Deep Dungeons and Eureka seems like a perfect fit for a Blue Mage solo. People are already soloing deep dungeons with other jobs anyway... They can create a scoreboard just for that purpose.

And also, Eureka elemental wheel system speaks a lot to how blue magic functions. I wouldn't be surprised if BLU got something like that as a "gauge" system someday.

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Maybe they might, maybe in 5.4 but we won't know until December so I am looking forward to the Live Letter. I see no reason why it can't be a normal job. Doesn't matter if it can Multi-role or be a Pure DPS, I am fine either way and I support Blue Mage being a normal job while we trash the Limited Job system.

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Originally Posted by Alysella

Well. All other classes mechanics keep evolving from ARR. They keep adding stuffs and complexity. It might happens to BLU too. We will see what the level 70 BLU can do

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the way they are going with the jobs keeps darting back and forth, sb made thing so much complicated for certain jobs and then comes shb, BAM! it's suddenly the simplest job to play and vice versa. i just hope that they don't do that this time or else blue mage will take much longer than needed to be a normal job.

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Originally Posted by Mariel_Crystallie

the way they are going with the jobs keeps darting back and forth, sb made thing so much complicated for certain jobs and then comes shb, BAM! it's suddenly the simplest job to play and vice versa. i just hope that they don't do that this time or else blue mage will take much longer than needed to be a normal job.

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Blue mage currently have their own job development progress at this point and doesn't sync with all other classes. It's mostly updated during raid downtime patch for side contents. They are allocating their resource into this while they can allocate it somewhere else.

I think it's too late for that unfortunately. The problem is that Blue Mage spells are acquired and cutting the spells out may be a problem

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Good luck building a roulette system where you can get a insufficient tanking BLU replacing an actual tank. And no, they wouldn't make its tanking and healing skills be good enough to replace actual tanks and healers, if made a full job. That goes against the design of the battle system the game has since the start.

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The only way it'd work is if you set restrictions within the DF system (considering there's a toggle that allows or prevents players from queueing for certain things, the tech is already there) or within BLU itself. I've toyed with the idea of skill sets or totems that a BLU could equip to push them towards a specific role, with the catch being that once inside a duty you can't remove the totem, and in order to queue for DF you need to have certain spells learned and set in your ability bar. This means that BLU would have to jump through more hoops than other jobs to queue for DF, but that's more SE's fault for implementing the job as they did.

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Originally Posted by TeraTyrantShadic

Maybe they might, maybe in 5.4 but we won't know until December so I am looking forward to the Live Letter. I see no reason why it can't be a normal job. Doesn't matter if it can Multi-role or be a Pure DPS, I am fine either way and I support Blue Mage being a normal job while we trash the Limited Job system.

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I'm not terribly mad at the whole limited Job niche, but just how its "endgame" gives little to no incentive for players to keep doing Blue Mage. The only thing I'm missing is the Morbol and it's quite out of my reach at this moment. It's been months since I've played the job.

I wouldn't be mad if they found a way to have it as a normal job, truly, because I love the aesthetics... But being realistic. What are the chances of Squeenix scrapping a concept this big (Limited Job), that was introduced not long ago? I'm holding my breath to them making more drastic changes to the system itself rather than they scrapping it. Though even at that, I doubt it will be on 5.4, or else we'd probably had "Big Blue Mage changes incoming" or something like that. Maybe for 6.0, then?

My personal wishlist for the changes (if they keep the job as it is) are:
- Adjustments taking every crucial spell (Aetherial, Pom Cure, etc) and quest-required spells OUT of instanced content
- Replayability incentive... For example, Khloe Aliapoh making a special Blue Mage journal
- Deep dungeons accessibility
- 5.5 level cap at 80, and being capped with the other jobs at some point in 6.0

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Originally Posted by Raikai

What are the chances of Squeenix scrapping a concept this big (Limited Job), that was introduced not long ago? I'm holding my breath to them making more drastic changes to the system itself rather than they scrapping it.

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More than likely considering Limited Job is a system similar to that of a normal job but with extreme restrictions preventing anything with random matchups. Since 2.0 till now the normal job system had nothing new added. Job gauges are the jobs itself rather than the Normal Job system. Normal Job and Limited Job are both a type of housing category, where each system houses jobs. With Limited Job system being empty and very restrictive, so at some point they will scrap it and brush it under the rug (I hope). Cause I am also being honest saying that Limited Job is duplicate of Normal Job in terms of system with some modifications to it and horrible ones at that and that is all there is to it.

We can take beastmaster as an example, already it doesn't need a limited job system as some of the ideas can be done in a normal job setting. I Already made a post on it and made it clear that Limited Job is not necessary for Beast master and Limited Job is obsolete. Link: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...entation/page2 (Post18).