In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

Thanks for the response. I hope that we can see the addition of more medium and large houses. It feels like many players, myself included settled on a small plot because all of the others sold out so fast and would like the chance at a different size plot. Large and medium plots were gone in minutes but small plots lasted about half an hour on my server. Thanks for looking into this for us. :)

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Originally Posted by Trunks

You don't pay my sub! Doesn't that entitle me to be impertinent and discourteous?

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Yes. Greed should always be shut down. Hard.

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Originally Posted by Jas710

Yes. Greed should always be shut down. Hard.

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So do you agree that they should stop selling in game items on the mogstation?

Thank you for the response and apology. Im super glad you guys have heard us and are going to help! I beg you please dont make it even harder to aquire a home with these new changes. It took me almost the whole time i been playing to afford a large home (2-3 yrs). Just make a ton more! Even if they are all Shirogane Style ;) Thank you!!!! <3 <3

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Originally Posted by Luci_shadow

So do you agree that they should stop selling in game items on the mogstation?

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Sorry - but can you explain your logic because I'm not following.

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Originally Posted by Tsuzee

Thanks for the response. I hope that we can see the addition of more medium and large houses. It feels like many players, myself included settled on a small plot because all of the others sold out so fast and would like the chance at a different size plot. Large and medium plots were gone in minutes but small plots lasted about half an hour on my server. Thanks for looking into this for us. :)

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I agree... I also had an impulse to get a small in mist so i at least had a home. Was only thing left. The small houses and Apartments are just too small. I feel the need to break out.
I NEED MORE SPACE YOSHI P <3

I'm not sure what threads the Dev team are looking at for suggestions, but I'd like to offer an idea that I saw on Reddit. One way to curb the housing shortage would be to allow people to have different size apartments. Since they're all instanced anyways, what's the problem with offering, say a penthouse for 10 mil or so? Also, each apartment needs to have a "balcony" where you can place a small amount of outdoor furnishings and gardens. You can also put in communal courtyards that have chocobo stables, a marketboard and maybe even a small swimming pool. This allows players the ability to customize their apartments more and have access to gardening as well, while also giving us some sense of community. You can make it all instanced so you don't have to worry about object limits like in a housing ward.

To satisfy everyone's "plot 30 or 60 only" heart, they better add 100 more wards

Thank you.

Square should change it so that players have to pay a rent fee each week. The fee could be paid via Company Credits for Fc's you do this by purchasing housing credits similar to flight credits. The fee should scale depending on the size of your house. This way it makes it so you have the right size house for the right size free company. Prior to purchase each placard should specify how many company credits are needed to keep the house each week. If this fee isnt paid (can pay in advance by 3 weeks for holidays) weekly then you lose the house but gain 80% of the cost back plus all furniture.

Personal houses should be changed so that the housing credits are purchased via grand company seals. SE could do this by rewarding grand company seals from anything in the game, more active you are the more seals you get.

This would discourage people flipping houses or having multiple over many different characters. At the same time rewarding you for being active.

Thank you!

Was really really bummed when i completely missed my chance at getting even a small house.

Was worse that the servers came up 'after' i had to be at work. Sorta knew that meant i'd not even have a chance but was holding hope till i logged in 12 hours later and confirmed everything was gobbled up :(

I have a suggestion or two.
- One could be to give fc's a priority in some way, especially with the larger properties, fc wards possibly?
- Another would be an instance styled house for those who are willing. Like a pocket area with the house and it's yard and the area is surrounded by rocks or something immersive in design. So it would be an instance spot to go to the house an then again into the main house, if that is possible to do.
-On a side note, maybe open the new wards next patch at a different time of day then the patch going live where everyone is logging on for more than just the housing, i.e. the new story or dungeons.

This gives me hope.

Red: Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.
Andy Dufresne: hope is a good thing maybe even the best of things and good things never die.

Just please remember. You have 2 subscription plans 1- $11.99 for 1 character 2- $14.99 for 8 characters. I pay extra real life money for all 8 of my characters to have the same rights as the person who pays for 1 character. Yes i own more then one house I payed SE $18 to move to a low pop server for housing well over year ago. My houses are own on characters who have beaten all over HW 2 of them have beaten SB and 2 working SB.
Up until the day you did the free transfers there was any where from 400-200 empty houses for well over a year..in 2 days of the free transfers 218 houses sold on my server in 48 hours.
There is a houses problem yes its called lack of them. You are getting paid for X amount of characters and you supply -X amount of houses.
..Plain and simple we need more wards and not just 2-4-5 more like 30-50-100 more wards

One of the reasons I continue playing this game... after 1.0, and after all the time from 2.0 to now... is that SE continually reaffirms my faith that they have the best interests of players at heart and will, after receiving feedback, make essential changes to the game. A lot of people think that SE is just out to get them, or just being greedy, but honestly they just don't see the game the way we, the players, do. And that's because it's hard to... it's hard to divorce yourself from the developer mentality and look at it at just the player level and only the player level... you're constantly seeing what goes on behind the scenes, even when you play the game yourself, and that colors your opinions.

So thank you SE, and thank you YoshiP for once again reaffirming why I play this game, and why this is the best MMO out there right now.

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Originally Posted by CatfishCassie

One of the reasons I continue playing this game... after 1.0, and after all the time from 2.0 to now... is that SE continually reaffirms my faith that they have the best interests of players at heart and will, after receiving feedback, make essential changes to the game. A lot of people think that SE is just out to get them, or just being greedy, but honestly they just don't see the game the way we, the players, do. And that's because it's hard to... it's hard to divorce yourself from the developer mentality and look at it at just the player level and only the player level... you're constantly seeing what goes on behind the scenes, even when you play the game yourself, and that colors your opinions.

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I'll keep faith with SE until they really do something silly and completely backwards.

One company i'll never trust again though, is NCSoft.......

well... 4.2 eh? enough time to make some gil..

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Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

One company i'll never trust again though, is NCSoft.......

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Curious as to which game and what was issue.

I've personally had multiple issues with NC. The raw bottage on Lineage2, the devs of that game never fully dealing with that and other issues.
When NC took over guildwars and then proceded to mess up accounts and let accounts be hacked and in some cases, pillaged.

I would see a couple wards for Free Companies only, no private residences.

While I'm grateful for the additional plots. That doesn't address the core issue here. There would be plenty more plots (maybe still not enough for everyone, but that's life not everyone can get prime real estate) through out the housing districts if there were harsh limitations on the number of houses one could own. I frankly believe Every free company can have 1 house. Every player can have 1 house. That's it. I know in Adamantoise there are several free companies that own several houses. Next issue is the people who buy houses and then turn around and sell them for profit.

I agree with the one house per account. But I hope that it doesn't stop people from relocating cause I wanted to get a medium house in shiganie but had to settle for a small since all the mediums were bought up on my server.

Stop saying restrict larges to FC only. Everyone should be able to get a house without competing with other people and it should be whatever size they want.

What if SE just has a sign-up list where everyone who wants a house signs up & pays for the full price of the house up front (so you know they're serious about it). If you sign-up you're guaranteed a house of that size when the new wards come out. Then SE will be able to fully calculate demand and allow everyone who missed out in 4.1 to purchase a new house.

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Originally Posted by Nuna

Stop saying restrict larges to FC only. Everyone should be able to get a house without competing with other people and it should be whatever size they want.

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This. It would be silly to do this. One house / person is plenty enough for any purpose though.
Then again if they just add enough wards, there will be no vultures - because it won't be worth it.

Thanks you, please be one by World, my main in Diabolos Should't suffer because another main in different world :(

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

Thanks you, please be one by World, my main in Diabolos Should't suffer because another main in different world :(

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The fact that's even a potential arguing point already implies such a measure is doomed to fail. Not only does it reveal shortcomings, but it also reinforces the fact that there just won't be enough. Let's hope that's not what they think is a worthwhile plan... because wow. I mean, I half-jokingly mock their inept execution of many things, but it's just going to end up being serious mockings at that point... that's a pretty disheartening reality if it came to that.

I've read through a bunch of pages now and I've seen some ideas I like.

-Letting all alts have acsess to the house in case of 1 plot per account per server.
-Giving priority to FCs in some way.
-Having a random time window between relinquishing a plot and when it's back on the market.
-A system for selling plots player to player with a fixed sell price. And option to give the plot away.
-Allow for more tennants and make them prevent demolition.
-Private mini islands sound like a fun idea.

-Also, about being able to upgrade your house size. You could upgrade your house to only be bigger on the inside but look the same on the outside. Keep whatever restrictions you deem nessesary when it comes to items you can place and such. Sometimes you just want more space. Maybe S plots would increase in popularity. Who wouldn't want a Tardis house?

Really appreciate you trying to come up with a solution Team YoshiP. And I hope our FC will be able to relocate come next patch :D

If we're gonna make it so that "every" FC gets their own house we're gonna have to have at least TEN more wards. And that's being super generous and underestimated. Thirty sounds more realistic.

Or else it's gonna be like release 4.1 all over again...

I've gotta say that one thing I love about this game, compared to most other MMORPGs I've played, is that the developers actually not only listen to, but also respond to, the community.

The housing crisis could of been solved via the RAID SYSTEM & MSQ Duty.

All you had to have do was do this.

During 24 player raids.
A housing "House Purchasing Slip" has a 5% chance to drop.

Small houses need : 1 Purchasing Slips
Medium houses need : 2 Purchasing Slips
Large houses need : 3 Purchasing Slips

There is only 1 of them that will appear for completing the Last boss of any 24 player raid we made.
This is the only way to buy a "PLOT" of land on your "SERVERS"

Best of Luck to those who play together, to win the "RANDOM" loot roll.

All 24 raids have this chance.
Not just the new raids.
If the raid is UNDERSIZED/UNSYNCED it will never drop.


Best of Luck.


This would of brought life back into the "24 player Raiding System"
Also you could of added a new item called 2 month "DEED PAYMENT SLIP"

Players who don't earn their deed payment slips will have their property taken as a AUDIT.
This new "SLIP has a 2% chance of dropping in Main Story Quest Duty" and can be traded on Market.
If you don't turn in a slip by the "REQUIRED DEADLINE" you might lose your current property.

Be forewarned, we will start cycling properties if you don't "ROLEPLAY PAYING YOUR BILLS, MORTGAGE, and TAXES"

Okay, main ideas currently,

-1 house, 1 guild house per account, per server.
-Letting all alts have access to the house in case of 1 plot per account per server.
Lot of people are agreeing this is fair, and will also help alleviate issues with having alts on the server, and trying to get houses for them.
One of the big issues that'll end up happening, is those who already have multiple alts and houses on each one, WITH FC's as well.
I don't believe in grandfathering this in. A person has X amount of time to divest themselves of extra properties or loose them.
As far as having extra accounts, if someone is willing to pay the cash per month for extra property..
however... there IS a way of cheating the system that way. Buy slave account, build up chara to own guild, give guild to slave account, slave account gives master full access, except not the guild owner. Stop paying monthly, but keep showing up and using house.
cont...

If someone is willing to go that far... I dunno. Can't really stop them. *shrug* Just make it more inconvenient to do so.

-Giving priority to FCs in some way.
I actually like the idea of FC only wards, but even still, you're looking at maybe... 1-2 wards like that, and most guilds are gonna want the big houses.
While remaking the ward so it's only big houses is problematic at best, I have to wonder if it's possible to make it so that a small and medium house have the perks of a large house. The main things of which are full 3 plot garden, full 5 shopkeeps, and all the crafting tables.
Considering the insides are customized instances anyway, they could at least change that. The outside might be more difficult to deal with.

-Having a random time window between relinquishing a plot and when it's back on the market.
I'm not to keen on a random time frame, but even a 16-32 hour window would be good.

-A system for selling plots player to player with a fixed sell price. And option to give the plot away.
That... is the whole issue with people buying up properties.
As much as we'd like to be able to transfer things to friends, even without any recompensation, it will still be abused.

-Allow for more tenants and make them prevent demolition.
So the whole 'share the house' thing. I was under the impression that if you share the house already, and someone comes in and uses it, that cuts demo time off.
Or is that only for FC house?

-Private mini islands sound like a fun idea.
Yeah sure. why not. Gil sellers aren't selling enough gil anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You are going to get a lot of hate because you are a massive part of the problem. You have the gil sure, but you are flippantly ignoring the housing crisis and making things far worse for a lot of people. If house flippers are breaking the ToS for "ruining the play experience for others", what is it that you are doing?

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At this point it's a design flaw. The only rule she's breaking is just being selfish which isn't against ToS.

There needs to be enough housing to go around or SE will need to employ Draconian restrictions which will not be taken well.

1 house per server and not 1 house per character.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

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All right boss. Cheers.

It might be due to an inherent flaw in the housing system, but it doesn't change that as long as the system remains like this, buying multiple houses for alts only contributes to the problem. As this is a thread about that exact problem, I'm surprised that someone would expect to not be called out for it, to be honest.

Anyway, although I'm glad to hear that there are plans to add new wards, I also agree with the people who have been saying that the housing system in general ultimately needs revising- as it is, I feel like only adding new wards will just end up being a redux of 4.1 (they'd need to add a /lot/ of new wards to ensure the same doesn't happen, and that wouldn't fix the core issue). I'll just dump my thoughts/ideas that I've liked here, as it seems others are doing the same:

- One personal house and one FC house per account (or at least per server/data center, if people have characters they use a lot on other servers), with letting all alts have access to the house if the same server

- Measures to counteract resellers/house flippers, and harsher consequences. The idea of a random timer after relinquishing the house seems like a good idea, as does the idea of a regulated plot market (where the maximum you can sell a house at is 100% of its original value). karionsiand brought up some good points, I think.

- FC only wards (subdivisions?) might help with FCs being unable to get housing... although I personally don't like the idea of M and L being restricted to FCs/haven't liked seeing the blame for the housing shortage being laid on people who purchased personal housing. Both FCs and individuals have valid reasons for wanting M and L plots.

- I like the idea of being able to choose which size house you want when you buy the plot, although I don't know how much work this would be for the devs/how logistics would work (ward layout/appearance, etc). Adding more M/L plots might ease the problem, but there might always be a shortage even if that were to be implemented.

- Although a lottery system isn't ideal, I feel like it would be about as fair as it is now (and less stressful, to be honest, as it would restrict the element of luck just to whether or not you get a house and not things like queues and server errors). I liked the ideas that MalRage had (putting in bids for plots in advance so SE could get an idea for demand/what players were looking for, as well as a system where you could get housing near people you would want to be neighbours with).

Just my two cents, though. Although I still have my doubts as to whether they'll be able to fix this, I do appreciate the fast official response (and that there was even one at all), as one of the people who ended up disappointed on Tuesday after the patch dropped. I really do hope something can be done to improve the current system- scrambling for housing should not be more stressful than high-end content, haha.

Thank you so much Yoshida for the prompt answer and the new changes planned!

Should we not hold our thanks until they fixed the problem or even show us what they are planning?

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Originally Posted by Sousei

- Although a lottery system isn't ideal, I feel like it would be about as fair as it is now (and less stressful, to be honest, as it would restrict the element of luck just to whether or not you get a house and not things like queues and server errors).

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A lottery system is still the same luck like now but instead of having the luck to not wait with other players to log in, have errors or losing the rush to the wards, you simply need luck to be chosen. That for me just transfers from one kind of luck to another. In the end this will still leave enough people without a house which means that enough people would be disappointed or angry. (And since many people want medium or large houses this will still end in a lot of rage just with less error messages on the way)

Also if you have a lottery system will you allow people who want to relocate in this or not? If you do, you will decrease the chance for all those people and FC who dont even have one house but if you leave them out, they wont even stand a chance to relocate because they would probably have all houses in the lottery thus all would be gone. The housing timer might free up some houses to relocate to but the chance is also not that big so you would kinda make that feature a bit useless for most people.

In the end they need to restrict at least the amount of houses someone can buy (but not the size of it), at least double the amount of wards in all districts and maybe dont open them immediately when the patch goes live otherwise you will just have another repeat of the recent situation..but in the end if you do not have enough houses for everyone you will always anger your customers..

So imo: Please think about a instanced solution. This would also be better for your servers (since those would not need to be constantly up), you wont have a problem if you need to merge servers and on top of that you give everyone the chance to own a house (thus they finally get the content they are already paying for..) If you then on top of that make it possible to upgrade these houses in size you will have even more happy people.

Lottery system is terrible idea. It is no different than what we had now after maintenance. Chance that you will be able to log in is a lottery. So I REALLY hope they have something else in mind!:mad: